Topic: Surface decorated crackle type glass not Monart poss Loetz Kralik

[chopin-liszt]

The images there show the "slightly dull shiney" surface very well indeed too.

[flying free]

Yes it has that slightly 'pitted' look as though it might be ceramic almost, which isn't how the OP's vase looks.

m

[flying free]

ok, some more information here
https://www.ysartglass.com/Ysart/Fake%20Ysart%20Glassware.htm

Under the column for Monart it says:

'Pontil Mark

Large, unless an early piece. Very variable in appearance.'

and

'Polished Ring around Pontil

Yes, unless an early or surface decorated piece.'


With regard to who else might have, I can't think of another maker contemporary to that period as an option to be honest.
It appears to fit the shape variant in terms of foot profile and also the way it curves in to a narrower rim opening.

I suppose a contender could be someone more recent?

[chopin-liszt]

I'm not particularly worried about the base not being "typical" Monart, not on a surface decorated thing. These were far more variable than any of their other output, as said there, M.
And the glass has ended up being very finely blown towards the base in this particular piece, not that they didn't sometimes try to put a button on finely blown glass- but that does tend to give rise to annealling cracks.
Their facilities were rather primitive. They were experimenting and attempting to produce stuff that would be hard enough to make with modern facilities and current improved metal recipes.
The Ysarts were doing stuff way beyond their time - a forerunner of the Studio Glass Movement.

[fatbelly]

I believe the piece is Durand Moorish crackle glass in a rare colourway.
Another piece was listed as Franz Welz in an identical colour different shape online and the seller has since been informed several times its Durand Moorish crackle glass..
So not a bad outcome and hopefully that’s cleared up the mystery.
Thanks for all the input etc.
FB.

[flying free]

There is another piece in the same colourway being sold as Durand Moorish Crackle here:

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/721226579/rare-outstanding-c1920-durand-moorish?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_uk_en_gb_a-art_and_collectibles-collectibles-other&utm_custom1=4bab0a55-efb5-4ab5-911c-e38f72ded554&utm_content=go_325948848_20231914248_88478120328_aud-463075092198:pla-106549150355_c__721226579engb&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkIqtndnE4wIVBLDtCh3FxAybEAYYASABEgL6SfD_BwE

It doesn't look like other pieces of Moorish Crackle online.  Do they give a reference source for these pieces please?

m

[fatbelly]

Hi.
I emailed a seller on a certain online auction site that is selling a similar piece iff not the same piece in your link and asked where they got the attribution.
The seller replied that they were getting a lot of offers when it was listed as Welz but were told by some of the people making the offers it was Durand glass from the 30s.
Looking at the base finish on some of the moorish range I can see a lot of similarities with my piece although I have not found this colour as yet.
FB

[chopin-liszt]

 
We haven't had any input from any of the real Monart-y folk. Yet. 
I've just asked my brother to have a look and comment. He is a serious Monart collector and he says it is Monart.
Both bits. Nothing wrong with either of them, and everything right.
Cloisonne was Monart Ware - early, experimental stuff. 

[flying free]

   - Sue by both bits do you mean the OP's vase and the one I linked to on Etsy as well?

Ooh that's good - I was wondering about the shape of the other one but have been distracted looking up something else glassy so didn't check the shape.

m

[chopin-liszt]

Yup. Absolutely, m. 
He's checked both shapes on Frank's site too. They're there.
Even the slightly wonky rim on the etsy one is "right".
They fit in perfectly with the quote you posted.

(crikey, I am chuffed.    I was quite convinced it was right at first, then I got scared that there might be somebody else doing things like this, which would be letting hoards of cats out and causing confusion everywhere, until I spoke to little brother this-afternoon.)