Topic: vaas van val saint lambert????

[flying free]

Hi Paul

Well I could be wrong not having it to look at in real life 
But to me it looks like clear over red and yes, it has what I think of as a beautiful effect. I prefer those engraved clear over colour rather than colour to clear. The engraving is really good and I think quite deep but the effect is subtle and sophisticated (imo), precisely because it's not 'showing up' as clear out of red surround.  I don't see that many of these (clear over colour engraved) because I guess the colour over clear showed off the engraved design better.  The ones I think I notice/recall seem to have been amber but I'd need to have a good look around this weekend to see if I can find examples/references.
Covering all bases here and excusing myself for being wrong before it  turns out I am  , it could also be that the red of the back wall of the goblet is making it appear red and it may well be colour over clear. But it doesn't look like it to me from the photos.

 I also think the central lens at the back might have been where some initials may have been engraved for example.  So a celebration type goblet. This one is plain lenses though so possibly never purchased from the maker perhaps? Or maybe they buyer just decided no extra engraving, perhaps it was just purchased because it's quite big and beautifully engraved and a lovely thing.

If it were mine I would be starting to look 1840s/1850s and work from there. I could be many years out of course but that's where my instinct would tell me to start looking - because it's clear over colour, the red, the foot, the way the merese on the stem is cut.

[Paul S.]

  take your word for all the techie stuff m.           I've never collected these Continental pieces where engraving was a predominant part of the decoration, though of course seen many on the screen, in books and in passing at fairs etc. - also the good stuff probably beyond the depths of my pocket.
I just had this notion, from the little interest I had taken, that most of the good pieces were overlaid/cased with whatever colour - such that when the engraving was finished, and the colour removed, the image was highlighted by showing clear glass only - cut to clear as the buffs say.
This piece made for decoration only I'd suggest, but whatever, can't be easy making an id unless a named exact duplicate  can be found.

I wonder if our expert lady in Belgium might have some thoughts, in view of the VSL suggestion?

[flying free]

I'm pretty sure it's Bohemian not Belgian Paul.  Always open to correction though of course.

And giving it a date or at least a tightish time frame wouldn't be that difficult from someone (not me, I'm not an expert, although this is my period of collecting and interest) who is very knowledgeable about Bohemian glass 19th century. It has lots of identifying factors.  The colour, the clear over red, the foot and merese and the way they are cut, and the design and quality of the engraving. 

I haven't time to go through my books and resources at the moment but pretty sure a reference would be found.

m