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Plafonnier marked C.S.R
« on: February 12, 2020, 05:39:58 PM »
I have come across a conical lamp shade decorated with honesty seed pods, 40 cm in diameter, in satin glass. The vendor says it's by Etling. However, it is marked C.S.R on the shade. I have found other lamp shades thus marked. I cannot determine what C.S.R stands for. I cannot find anything on GMB discussing it before. As a guess, C could stand for Cristallerie.

I am aware of a similar lamp shade numbered 67 in the Choisy-le-Roi catalogue. Is this the same design? I haven't yet added this lamp shade to the Etling project web site.

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Re: Plafonnier marked C.S.R
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2020, 05:43:05 PM »
Thats a very tricky one.....let me think, coould CSR stand for ChoiSy le Roi?

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Re: Plafonnier marked C.S.R
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2020, 05:36:42 PM »
The C.S.R mark is not in Hartmann's Glasmarken Lexicon either. Yes, I took the plunge and bought the book. Expensive, but worth it.
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Re: Plafonnier marked C.S.R
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2021, 01:34:59 PM »
Thinking it might be Cristallerie Saint R*****, I searched and found Cristallerie de Saint Remy and this.

https://scottishantiques.com/art-glass/French-art-glass?product_id=17408
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Re: Plafonnier marked C.S.R
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2021, 07:42:08 PM »
CSR = Cristallerie de Saint-Remi seems a logical conclusion.

I found this:

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Pierre Girre (1901-1990) ... in 1926 ... create(d) his own designs at Cristallerie de Saint-Remi (Sevres) under the pseudonym, Pierre d' Avesn.

The link to Sevres also explains the link to Etling, as mentioned in my initial post. Some Etling designs where reproduced by Sevres after Etling had ceased trading.

However, I am somewhat confused by the statement on the Scottish Antiques site which says:

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Orreot was a brand name used by CSR.
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Oreot (one 'r') exists and so does Oreor (apparently associated with Van Haeleweyck Frères, Brussels, Belgium), but not Orreot (two 'r's). Was this a typo? I am uncertain whether the vase referred to can be checked since it was sold by the dealer. Hartmann says Oreot is a French company making pressed glass vases since about 1920, but nothing more.

I will ask the dealer where this connection between CSR and the Orreot brand name came from.
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Re: Plafonnier marked C.S.R
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2021, 10:40:46 AM »
I did a bit of research into Pierre d'Avesn, for future reference, which is in the post below this one, moved from the glass section yesterday, an interesting and excellent designer.
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Re: Plafonnier marked C.S.R
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2021, 05:16:10 PM »
It is obviously a typo for Oreot in Belgium , see here :-
https://www.hogelandshoeve.be/index433.html

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Re: Plafonnier marked C.S.R
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2021, 10:49:42 PM »
Yes indeed. The museum has the green lamp base furthest to the left at https://www.hogelandshoeve.be/index433.html. This web page says that only Oreor exists and not Oreot, as stated in Hartmann and Cappa. However, Hartmann includes a picture of the Oreot mark (see page 741). It is clearly Oreot and not a mistranscription of Oreor.

The assertion by Scottish Antiques that "Orreot [sic] was a brand name used by CSR" cannot yet be confirmed, but is not beyond possibility. If anyone has further information then please share it.

By the way, the museum also has a good collection of glass designed by Pierre d'Avesn, including a bowl depicting three fish (attached) said to have been made at Cristallerie de Saint-Remi.
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Re: Plafonnier marked C.S.R
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2021, 11:54:15 AM »
This may help research on Pierre D'Avesn who worked for Lalique, Daum  Cristalleries de Choisy le Roi and  Cristalleries de St Remy.
https://www.antiques-atlas.com/antique/art_deco_french_opalescent_glass_dish_by_p_davesn/as930a117

 

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