Topic: Mystery Set Number 094.

[theElench]

Perhaps another piece to add to the 094 set?

I was surprised how large it was when it arrived.  I have two other atomiser bottles, both about 6cms across.

This one measures 11cms across the amber points and is 10cms in height.

[Jayne]

A fabulous piece!

Here is Mystery Trinket Set #94 link for ease of reference.

https://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=99

[Jayne]

I've spotted what looks to be the same design of set on eBay for sale in Florida USA, with a Phönix Glashüttenwerk label.

It's a 3 piece Perfume set, with Atomiser, Cologne Bottle and Trinket/Powder Pot in pale yellow amber flashed/overlaid design.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-3-Piece-Glass-Perfume-Cologne-Powder-Trinket-Jar-Dresser-Set-WH-14/173898656462?autorefresh=true

Also this set was imported, exported and soley distributed by Henry Dresel as advertised in 1958.

https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,67975.0.html

And here is another thread on the same Mystery trinket Set 94

https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,57763.0.html

[theElench]

Well done Jayne !!

I see mentions of an RD mark in the other thread.  I've looked at the atomiser carefully but can't see one.  Would I be right thinking that it would be fairly obvious and probably on or near the base, not carefully hidden?

[Jayne]

Well done Jayne !!

I see mentions of an RD mark in the other thread.  I've looked at the atomiser carefully but can't see one.  Would I be right thinking that it would be fairly obvious and probably on or near the base, not carefully hidden?

Thank you! I'm sorry I don't know where the RD Number would be, going by the other thread the Atomiser doesn't seem to be mentioned unless I missed it, but I would say your idea of it being on or near the base would be right if it's there at all. 

[theElench]

I'm only guessing based on the few English pieces I have with any sort of ID on them, always on the base.  Other countries ideas might have been different?  I have a pair of French vases with "Made in France" etched onto the body of the vase above the base.

Something else I notice, here again (in the set you spotted) we have a powder pot, a perfume flask and an atomiser.  Some time back, I submitted photos of a part Hermanova set number 11602 consisting of a tray, powder pot and candlesticks.  They were allocated to two separate pages as, in the catalogue, they were shown as two sets.  Pot, flask and atomiser 11350 - 18659 and tray, candlesticks and pot as 18698 - 18700.

I've also wondered why, when trying to make sense of the Buder catalogue, the comb trays are sometimes quite different in appearance to the pot, flask and atomiser they apparently go with and why these four items are shown separated from larger trays, candlesticks, and pin dishes that are all so similar that without the catalogue to confuse the issue, they would be regarded as "standard" sets with tray, pots, candlesticks etc.

Could it be that in the Buder sets shown in the 1960 catalogue we don't have pot, flask, atomiser and comb tray, but the three items with a tray to stand them on?  As with the Hermanova sets 11350 - 11602.  A bigger picture that might, in itself, help ID some Mysteries?  As for whatever reason it was common practice at the time to show them as two sets.

 

[theElench]

Sorry,  correction the Hermanova set 18698 - 18700 consists of tray, candlesticks  and ring-holder.  Not tray, candlesticks and pot as written above.

[Jayne]

Hi theElench, I think perhaps what you refer to regarding the Hermanova pieces are a question of the time they were introduced. The pre 1958 Hermanova Catalogue may show pieces produced for years but older catalogues have not been found so far.

A perfume set seems to me in general an older fashion and production, the atomiser and cologne bottle have earlier numbers than the trinket pot, powder bowl, comb tray and soap dish, which in turn have earlier numbers than the tray candlesticks and ring holder.

Perhaps when trinket sets with larger trays became popular, a company would add pieces to an already successful design of a perfume set or even just an atomiser or vise versa.

I'm unsure which Buder pieces you consider don't match, if you could find a topic with the pieces or start a new one and link to the catalogue pages that would be helpful. 

Also, regarding the trays, both sizes were in my opinion a useful piece of equipment for the dressing table, to hold combs brushes hand mirrors etc. and stop damage to the wooden furniture rather than a storage piece for the other items. 

https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,68384.0.html

[theElench]

Yes, what you say makes perfect sense, that as fashions changed manufacturers added pieces to their sets.

So far, despite carefully following several different sets of "How to" instructions, my attempts to add links have been a total failure and very frustrating.