Topic: Whitefriars ruby glass bowl or astray? ID please.

[wy699usa]

Hi All, I have got this 5" cross astray bowl (weight 562g). It is not massive big. I think it was from Whitefrairs knobbly family, but not sure if it is also possible from Murano, or even Czech Bohemian. Please let me know what you think about this. Thanks, Peter

[chopin-liszt]

  It might be, but we cannot see the knobbles.
Wfs knobblies were knobbled with an S-shaped tool. So they can be identified positively from the shapes of the knobbles. (And everything else being right too - the colour, the size, etc.)

[wy699usa]

Dear Sue,

Thanks again. What do you mean by the S-shaped tool? What kind picture do you want me to add? Is there a place that I can check the catalogue for Whitefriars? Also, there are indents on the rim of the bowl. That is why I call it astray bowl. Do you still consider it as from Wfs? Cheers, Peter

[chasdevlin]

https://whitefriars-glass.com/whitefriars-catalogues.php

Perhaps take a head on shot,  rather than overhead, which will make it easier to see the shape and contours.

[chopin-liszt]

We need a shot from the side - to show the profile. 
The s-shaped tool was a bit of metal shaped like an S, on a rod. Kind of like a branding iron. The S shape was pushed into the surface of the hot glass and twisted a little, it leaves distinctly shaped knobbles.

[wy699usa]

Dear Sue, I have added some new photos. Please let me know if they are enough. Cheers, Peter

[chasdevlin]

Whilst it looks right, I don't think it is as Whitefriars never did - as far as I'm aware - ashtrays with those indents in the knobbly range.
If you go to this link http://whitefriarsknobblies.blogspot.com/ you can see an ashtray similar to yours, but in kingfisher blue, which they speculate as being  Czech.
If you don't get more detail here, you could post your piece to the Whitefriars Facebook group where there is a decent chance someone may know more. Good luck!

[chopin-liszt]

Those pics are great - exactly what was needed, with several views which is wonderful.  thanks.
It has a rather low profile to be able to work out if an S shaped tool was used or not. The S shape on the tool was probably ~2.5 inches tall, 1.25 inches wide.
(I don't currently have an example to check, I'm going by memory)

I'm not overly happy about the small lobe of clear glass that sticks right out, I don't think that looks quite right for a knobbly, which would be smoother.
I do not know about indents in anything wfs, but Chasdevlin's comment seems to make sense - I've not seen indents.
I'm also a little worried about how lopsided it appears to be.
It could be Czech/ Bohemian.

[Lustrousstone]

It could be Japanese

[chopin-liszt]

  It could indeed.
The colour is more Japanese than Bohemian.