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Cristalleries de Saint-Louis bowl 1908
Ekimp:
--- Quote from: flying free on September 08, 2021, 07:54:28 PM ---I'm wondering is the coloured cameo design acid etched as well?
This is a good close up of what my bowl is like - not my close up
https://auctions.c.yimg.jp/images.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/image/dr000/auc0411/users/1/8/4/6/fracito6915-img955x1030-15421004085nlaug29901.jpg
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That’s what I assumed. Maybe if the coloured layer was very thin they could etch it away in the same process as etching the texture (as you speculate at the end of reply #13).
The bowl in your link above looks like the design outline was needle etched first (a bit like John Northwood’s work), you can see on the left in the top photo where the line wasn’t followed very well.
flying free:
So as to avoid confusion and not talking at cross purposes, I think each of those little hatched background lines that make up the leaf style pattern on the Eglantier bowl is raised off the surface. I don't thinkthey're cut into the glass, or needle etched into the glass as they do sometimes look. I think they're raised off the glass as though someone pressed a metal mold against the bowl that had tiny lines cut into the metal mold which then left raised lines on the surface of the bowl.
The pink cameo flowers and scrolls are raised cameo cut and are slightly higher raised than the impressed background leaf pattern.
I really have no idea how they managed to make those background patterns though.
flying free:
--- Quote from: flying free on September 08, 2021, 08:12:01 PM ---Interestingly, the Baccarat Eglantier series of toiletry articles appears in the 1916 catalogue 'tafel 16'
https://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Baccarat-1916-br-Garnitures-de.54+B6YmFja1BJRD01NCZwcm9kdWN0SUQ9MjE1MSZwaWRfcHJvZHVjdD01NCZkZXRhaWw9.0.html
I couldn't see my Baccarat bowl there though.
Of course it could have appeared earlier. I'm pretty sure my Saint-Louis bowl is correct in being pattern 630 dating from 1908 catalogue.
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This link shows an Eglantier decor perfume with the same scrolls and cross with circle design as my Baccarat bowl and the seller says it is referenced in the 1903-4 Baccarat catalogue as well as the 1916.
https://www.alexiaamatoantiques.com/en-GB/scent-bottles-sewing-items/unusual-antique-baccarat-eglantier-cranberry-uranium-bottle/prod_12743#.YTk2Cp1KhPY
Ekimp:
--- Quote from: Ekimp on September 08, 2021, 06:54:57 PM ---This glass probably hasn’t got much in common with your items ;D but I think it is an example of the transfer resist acid etched method. It has a band of hatched diamonds, the photos aren’t brilliant, but the texture of the diamonds reminds me of that on your bowl.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/174445372350
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I got this 50p tumbler last week as I wanted an example of the transfer resist acid etched method. It’s not been done very well but I see it’s the same decoration as in my eBay link and a closeup of the hatching might be of interest for comparison with the decor of the bowl.
flying free:
In all honesty I don't think they're related to the bowls but the technique might be similar/the same?
Your posting prompted me - I've been doing some reading over the last week or so and whilst I can't link it and no idea where I read it, I read something about 'paper patterns' for these acid etched bowls/pieces.
I couldn't even begin to think how that could be possible but I did read that. Somewhere in an old book contemporary to the time of making.
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