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unusual stoppers - ID = Lalique "Pouilly" stoppers

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Paul S.:
obviously too early in the day to be thinking clearly .......................    first line should more correctly read ...........  "......... have been mould formed originally using molten glass as opposed to powdered glass."

chopin-liszt:
I was not suggesting the stoppers were pate de verre. It just happens that the AR bit with green bits was.

It was the presence of these darkish green "bits" on Lalique I was confirming.
Nothing more.

On the AR bit and on these stoppers, the green is kind of stuck around the edges and in deeper parts, exactly like grime or dirt would stick.  ;D

flying free:
Paul I agree with your comments as a general thought on these pieces and including these stoppers and would have agreed it was unlikely to be pate de verre  and more likely molded, however, Lalique I think  did make some Pate-de-verre pieces and regarding the AR vase specifically this is what was said about the vase on the AR:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/south_of_scotland/7789458.stm

' ...They'd dumped it in the attic after the plant in it died and were about to throw it away when the show rolled in to town."
The vase turned out to be a 1929 work - Feuilles Fougeres - by the renowned French designer and major Art Nouveau figure Rene Lalique.

It stands just 12.5cm (5in) high and was made by a process called cire perdue.

It involves a wax model being covered in plaster before it is heated and the liquid wax replaced with molten glass.

Once it has been cooled the plaster mould is destroyed to reveal the item inside.

The amazing discovery tale turns out to have an even happier ending than Mr Knowles' estimate.

The vase was sold at auction with Christie's earlier this year for £32,450 - more than its Roadshow valuation..'


I've not looked up the difference between Cire perdue and Pate-de-verre techniques but this explanation has reminded me I should do that. 

I'm not sure the stoppers would fall into this type of making because would they have used this expensive technique for stoppers?  but they might have done?

chopin-liszt:
The stoppers look like good old plain ordinary moulded glass.

I really did not intend for anybody to get the construction of the AR vase (which has some green bits on it) mixed up with the construction of the stoppers (which also have some green bits on them).

I was merely confirming the presence of some green bits on Lalique.

Paul S.:
don't even think you were giving us a bum steer Sue - we're (me) quite capable of getting the wrong end of the stick without the slightest help from others ;D ;D.           My scribbling about p-d-v. was simply in case others here might have been vaguely interested in how that process worked.              I agree with you that the stoppers here are simply moulded thingies, made in the usual pressed method of construction as per most stoppers.
What is intriguing - and which it seems we are ignorant of -  is how Lalique and his contemporaries might have 'coloured' some of the 'high relief' parts of his moulded designs  -  the 'appearance' of p.d.v. is unlike Lalique's press mouldings.

m - would agree very unlikely these stoppers are made either p.d.v., or cire perdue (lost wax) - both methods were v. high end one-off jobs.            Not that I'd know the difference, but the latter method is the unique process, and the mould can be used literally once only, whereas the French guys did manage to come up with a p.d.v. system with a re-usable mould.
I've not the slightest idea if/whether Lalique made p.d.v. pieces  -  the names associated with that process it seems were generally Almaric Walter (most prolific apparently), Daum, Argy-Rousseau and Decorchemont.         When you think of the quantity of pieces turned out by Lalique, it's unlikely the factory could have produced that volume had they been working solely with traditional p.d.v. methods, and my reference source lacks any mention of Lalique making p.d.v., though that may simply be an oversight. 
As you say, for cire perdue the casing was plaster, but assume for p.d.v. the casing might be metal, plaster or even clay  ..............   when you've read the blurb, come back and explain to us please.  ;)

As for the AR piece, I'm having trouble understanding this piece as an example of lost wax, but what do I know about French deco art glass from the late '20s ;)

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