Topic: Striped Blown Glass Vase Identification needed Please

[Yxeli]

Thanks Nev,
Wow, well, I still dont want to believe it because that means I'll probably never have a collection! But one day if/ when the chips are down and I really need the money, Ill put it online for sale,  and I'll come back to this thread and update you all. I'll say 'attributed to Clichy', and if theres a bidding war then...Ill come back and tell you you were right!!
Thanks so much!

[Ekimp]

Yxeli, I'd go with Clichy if only for the fact your vase is a miniature one, as you say, only 4.5"/11.5cm. Either way you're on to a winner.

As Nev says, you’ve got something good either way.

As regards the height, the Flacon with this decor (or very similar) in the Harrach book is 14cm high, I assume that includes the tear shape stopper that looks to be a third of the overall height. So the bottle part is probably just over 9cm or 3.5 inches - even smaller.

[flying free]

Thanks for confirming the base looks polished/shiny.
Is it slightly indented curved inwards? as though it has a polished circular pontil mark covering the whole base?  It's just too difficult to tell from your photographs.

I'd lean to Clichy rather than Bohemian as well.  Need to find a shape match.

m

[English weather]

English Weather appears to have a similar

Well actually, I never claimed to currently own a piece. I was speaking from experience but quite right, the polished pontil to the very edge is not a Bohemian trait.

The bands of canes are a different size on the carafe because it is a bigger size.

I am going controversial now, (nothing new). The attribution of the carafe as being Josephinehutte, are I believe, incorrect. People have taken the technique of canes in glass from one item(s) and made them all the same when they are clearly different though in some eyes, similar.

I will send examples in next post

[English weather]

Whilst these may be "similar" they are very different from the Clichy production.

The glass has a slightly grey tinge and is thinner with the space between the canes able to be felt as ridges, (because it is not a thickly cased).

As Free flying pointed out, the shape is not Bohemian of the initial vase in question.

Why would anyone list in auction an item that is Clichy as Josephinehutte? Look at the prices!


https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/4984933_becher-josephinenhuette-glass-beaker-tendrild-old

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/4268363_268-becher-josephinenhuette-glass-beaker-vintage-old

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8742191_288-becher-graflich-schaffgotsch-sche-josephinenhutte

[Yxeli]

Is it slightly indented curved inwards? as though it has a polished circular pontil mark covering the whole base?  It's just too difficult to tell from your photographs.

No, not al all concave, the base is very flat!

[flying free]

English Weather appears to have a similar

Well actually, I never claimed to currently own a piece. I was speaking from experience but quite right, the polished pontil to the very edge is not a Bohemian trait.

The bands of canes are a different size on the carafe because it is a bigger size.

I am going controversial now, (nothing new). The attribution of the carafe as being Josephinehutte, are I believe, incorrect. People have taken the technique of canes in glass from one item(s) and made them all the same when they are clearly different though in some eyes, similar.

I will send examples in next post

I'm not sure if we're talking at cross purposes but just to clarify:

I'm aware that if the item is larger the canes may appear bigger, but what I meant was that on a couple of the Clichy pieces, it definitely looks as though the white cane is deliberately thinner than the pink cane  for example, they both have clear 'stripe' showing between each of them but I think the white canes are purposefully thinner than the pink regardless of the size of the item - see page 303 La Cristallerie de Clichy.

I think we're in difficult territory when comparing canes on items  - Josephinenhutte used many as far as I know.  The first millefiori paperweight came from Bohemia if I recall correctly.

There is a comment here on this paperweight website about early Bohemian millefiori production saying:
'There is documentation to suggest that some of these factories engaged in the manufacture of millefiori as early as 1833.'
https://www.paperweights.com/paperweights/bohemian.htm

[flying free]

No, not al all concave, the base is very flat!

Thanks - interesting.

m

[English weather]

How do I pick up a quote from another post so it appears in a tinted box when I post an answer?

[Ekimp]

How do I pick up a quote from another post so it appears in a tinted box when I post an answer?

Click where it says ‘quote’ at the top right of the post you’re interested in.

The Flacon in the Harrach book can be seen in the third picture here https://www.kavkabook.cz/en/p/from-neuwelt-to-the-whole-world-300-years-of-harrach-glass That image isn’t very good (you can zoom in a bit) but to me looking in the actual book it looks like the exact same canes as in Yxeli’s vase and in blue/white versions in the Dr Fischer auctions in my links in reply 34. Given the limitations of the printed photo in the book and screen reproduction, I appreciate they might not actually be the same but very similar, or the same canes used by different manufacturers.

Scaling off the screen, the base of Yxeli’s vase is only about an inch diameter, would that make any difference to how it was finished?