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Author Topic: John Walsh Walsh Rd 36184 1885 honeysuckle  (Read 252 times)

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John Walsh Walsh Rd 36184 1885 honeysuckle
« on: June 23, 2022, 05:53:57 PM »
Please to find this vase recently and just identified from part of the number on the base, the reg design is for trailing leaves and flowers of honeysuckle checkout Victorian decorative glass by Gulliver. Has a nice uv glow thanks Mike

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Re: John Walsh Walsh Rd 36184 1885 honeysuckle
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2022, 12:30:38 AM »
That's a great find - love the honeysuckle, very unusual.

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Re: John Walsh Walsh Rd 36184 1885 honeysuckle
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2022, 05:57:12 AM »
Thanks m, I bought it from a nice dealer but he thought it was Steven and Williams and the remains of the number on the base 184 was from an exhibition but I thought that was unusual. Probably a selling ploy. I couldnít find the shape in my books but searched 184 in the Great Glass registrations and found 36184 and then gullivers book showed an illustration of the honeysuckle and leaves. So quite pleased I managed to identify.  Itís quite heavy when you compare with other similar pieces and the white opaline is more lime green than Iíve seen before.
Yeah so it unusual and rare..

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Re: John Walsh Walsh Rd 36184 1885 honeysuckle
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2022, 06:34:24 AM »
Mike, how is the pontil mark finished?  is it cracked off and left rough/sharp?
I'm curious as to how they did the reg mark - is that an applied disc of glass?

It's also good to have the shape confirmed as Walsh Walsh.  These things are usually very difficult to pin down.

It's difficult to make out on the photo although your pics are great.

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Re: John Walsh Walsh Rd 36184 1885 honeysuckle
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2022, 07:11:41 AM »
The registered design is not for the shape but for the applied decoration checkout the illustration for registered design 36184 itís for a trail with leaves opposite each other and then the flower, many registered designs were for the decorations, feet and prunts rather than the shape.
Iím not an expert on Pontil marks but itís not rough it appears a thin round disc covers the Pontil with an additional lump of glass that has the registered design number stamped on. This only shows ď184Ē as the preceding digits and part of the additional lump of glass are missing. Hopefully these are better pictures.Thanks

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Re: John Walsh Walsh Rd 36184 1885 honeysuckle
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2022, 07:30:37 AM »
Thank you so much for the absolutely fantastic photos and description.

That will be really helpful in identifying future pieces in this type and style of glass.

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Re: John Walsh Walsh Rd 36184 1885 honeysuckle
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2022, 07:10:58 PM »
Here are some comparisons, the left and middle one are unmarked and I think Bohemian Welz or Harrach they have a flat base rim mmm, the Walsh one has a much smaller rim area that it sits on. If you know who made the bohemian ones please share thanks, Mike

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Re: John Walsh Walsh Rd 36184 1885 honeysuckle
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2022, 07:45:14 AM »
They are both most likely Harrach; the basket certainly is because of those small pink and white flowers, which are a Harrach thing. They are not Welz

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Re: John Walsh Walsh Rd 36184 1885 honeysuckle
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2022, 08:08:42 AM »
Thanks Christine, we must have been flooded with these Harrach pieces.

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Re: John Walsh Walsh Rd 36184 1885 honeysuckle
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2022, 12:10:53 PM »
We were!! They were incredibly prolific and must have had a huge workforce, not to mention all the homeworkers doing enamelling

 

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