Topic: 3 Crystal Restoration Period Beakers/Cups

[antonizz]

Hi everyone,

I have bought 3 French crystal beakers last week.
They date from the Restoration Period/Charles X period.

Unfortunately they're not in mint condition, but it's still a nice find.
At first they struck me as being Bercy, Le Creusot or Baccarat.

But after more research I came across some auction house websites
(past sales). And I found more possible manufacturers.

Some of 'em I never even heard of. Appearently, next to Baccarat and Bercy,
and Le Creusot, these beakers/cups also seem to be made by Saint-Louis,
Zoude (?), Montcenis (?), Saint-Mandé (?), and Choisy-Le-Roi.

I think it would be hard to date them.

Here are some websites I've used to find more; (There are multiple pages)
1) https://www.ader-paris.fr/catalogue/19743?lang=fr&search=&offset=0&max=50

2) http://encheres.parisencheres.com/catalogue/6485-verrerie-horlogerie

3) https://www.beaussantlefevre.com/catalogue/100494?lang=fr&search=&offset=300&max=50

4) https://www.boisgirard-antonini.com/search/solrSearch?query=gobelet+cristal&page=search&lang=fr&cpId=88&offset=0&max=50&vente=&myGroup=1&ordre=score&venteType=all&actuDatefilter=&lieuxExpo=&city=&categorie=


Most of them have similarities on some parts, like the foot design is the same, but then
the shape or cut are different.

These come closest:
The first 2 are the same, and the same as mine, so I guess that one can be identified as being a Bercy piece.
The third link has a similar base to one of mine.

1) https://www.boisgirard-antonini.com/lot/89666/8673992-bercygobelet-en-cristal-moule
2) https://www.ader-paris.fr/lot/15317/3124272-bercygobelet-a-base-dentelee-e

3) https://www.boisgirard-antonini.com/lot/24996/5400558-baccaratgobelet-a-base-dentele


Thanks for watching!

[antonizz]

Beakers #1

[antonizz]

Beaker #2

[antonizz]

Beaker #3

[flying free]

Nice.  Are they all pressed glass?  as opposed to cut glass?  I can see why you think some might be Montcenis but are they pressed glass?

Have you checked the Launay Hautin catalogues from 1840/1841?

I think Montcenis is Le Creusot ... I think.   I've always thought they were the same place Montcenis Le Creusot.
Some information here:
https://www.creusotmontceautourisme.fr/en/discover/le-creusot/a-rich-industrial-past/history-of-le-creusot/the-royal-crystal-factory

It was taken over  by Baccarat and Saint Louis in 1832  - the Launay Hautin catalogues show pieces from Baccarat and Saint Louis and I think Choisy le Roi was a part of that enterprise for a while (can't remember the exact details but there is information on the board about that joint company under Launay Hautin)

 Zoude was Belgian.  Louis Zoude I think grandson of Sebastian Zoude
More info here:
http://connaitrelawallonie.wallonie.be/en/node/2396#.Y0nuUHbMJPY

 There isn't much information on the company available but that is everything I know.

St Mande was French.

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[antonizz]

Yes, they're all pressed glass.

I didn't hint on Montcenis myself. I found that name in the links I've added.
I only expected Bercy, Baccarat, Le Creusot.

Never heard of Montcenis before. I will checkout the Launay Hautin catalogues,
for as far as they are availlable online.

Thanks for your input! 

[flying free]

Have you checked out Voneche?

Try having a read through the various Pressglas-Korrespondenz research. It's amazing and incredible the sheer volume of of information available on there.  All available to read and view.  You can also right click, copy and paste the information into google translate.  It's an invaluable reference source. 

Google search Pressglas-Korrespondenz Voneche and see what you can find.

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