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antonizz:
Hi everyone,

I have bought 3 French crystal beakers last week.
They date from the Restoration Period/Charles X period.

Unfortunately they're not in mint condition, but it's still a nice find.
At first they struck me as being Bercy, Le Creusot or Baccarat.

But after more research I came across some auction house websites
(past sales). And I found more possible manufacturers.

Some of 'em I never even heard of. Appearently, next to Baccarat and Bercy,
and Le Creusot, these beakers/cups also seem to be made by Saint-Louis,
Zoude (?), Montcenis (?), Saint-Mandé (?), and Choisy-Le-Roi.

I think it would be hard to date them.

Here are some websites I've used to find more; (There are multiple pages)
1) https://www.ader-paris.fr/catalogue/19743?lang=fr&search=&offset=0&max=50

2) http://encheres.parisencheres.com/catalogue/6485-verrerie-horlogerie

3) https://www.beaussantlefevre.com/catalogue/100494?lang=fr&search=&offset=300&max=50

4) https://www.boisgirard-antonini.com/search/solrSearch?query=gobelet+cristal&page=search&lang=fr&cpId=88&offset=0&max=50&vente=&myGroup=1&ordre=score&venteType=all&actuDatefilter=&lieuxExpo=&city=&categorie=


Most of them have similarities on some parts, like the foot design is the same, but then
the shape or cut are different.

These come closest:
The first 2 are the same, and the same as mine, so I guess that one can be identified as being a Bercy piece.
The third link has a similar base to one of mine.

1) https://www.boisgirard-antonini.com/lot/89666/8673992-bercygobelet-en-cristal-moule
2) https://www.ader-paris.fr/lot/15317/3124272-bercygobelet-a-base-dentelee-e

3) https://www.boisgirard-antonini.com/lot/24996/5400558-baccaratgobelet-a-base-dentele


Thanks for watching! ;)

antonizz:
Beakers #1

antonizz:
Beaker #2

antonizz:
Beaker #3

flying free:
Nice.  Are they all pressed glass?  as opposed to cut glass?  I can see why you think some might be Montcenis but are they pressed glass?

Have you checked the Launay Hautin catalogues from 1840/1841?

I think Montcenis is Le Creusot ... I think.   I've always thought they were the same place Montcenis Le Creusot.
Some information here:
https://www.creusotmontceautourisme.fr/en/discover/le-creusot/a-rich-industrial-past/history-of-le-creusot/the-royal-crystal-factory

It was taken over  by Baccarat and Saint Louis in 1832  - the Launay Hautin catalogues show pieces from Baccarat and Saint Louis and I think Choisy le Roi was a part of that enterprise for a while (can't remember the exact details but there is information on the board about that joint company under Launay Hautin)

 Zoude was Belgian.  Louis Zoude I think grandson of Sebastian Zoude
More info here:
http://connaitrelawallonie.wallonie.be/en/node/2396#.Y0nuUHbMJPY

 There isn't much information on the company available but that is everything I know.

St Mande was French.

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