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Offline keith

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Georgian milk jug ?
« on: March 11, 2023, 03:50:18 PM »
Just 4.5 inches tall with broken pontil mark and wear to the foot, has sunset glow and appears bluish in strong light.

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Re: Georgian milk jug ?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2023, 12:13:57 AM »
  Looks right as rain as we say over here. I have a similar example if not the same. Curious, if this inner bulge inside of the base is present as in the example I own..Seems to be a pontil indent prior to adding the foot.

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Re: Georgian milk jug ?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2023, 02:12:53 PM »
No bulge in mine  ;D

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Re: Georgian milk jug ?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2023, 02:41:41 PM »
  Your reply much appreciated. Thank you.

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Re: Georgian milk jug ?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2023, 12:04:14 AM »
 ;D ;D

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Re: Georgian milk jug ?
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2023, 01:05:58 AM »
The opaline on both those is pure (not grainy) and consistent from what I can see.  Really lovely.

There might be some interesting information on this thread link here:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,64275.msg360198.html#msg360198

see also here for discussion about production of white glass from Matthew Boulton -  Cagney I'm adding this because we've discussed coloured glass production and also because I recall you had a question about the opalescent white glass sugars somewhere on here in the past?
https://www.coulborn.com/artworks/categories/9/1611-george-iii-opaque-glass-ormolu-mounted-vase-by-matthew/

I seem to remember when researching opalescent glass, finding a recipe in a very old document dating to 1810 from England (iirc)

I see this opalescent glass and it reminds me of the Bulle de Savon being produced in France in the very early 1800s.  Fabulous pieces and amazing quality:
https://www.alexiaamatoantiques.com/en-GB/opaline-glass/antique-french-charles-x-bulle-de-savon-opaline-glass-bottle/prod_13215#.ZA51gXbP23A
https://www.antikeo.com/catalogue/verrerie/opalines-verres-emailles/vases-en-opaline-restauration-a-decor-desvignes-20121

I have a little bottle European, enamelled, which I believe dates to 1700s also in opalescent glass but the quality is very different I think, to these items including both jugs.  The colour is not as consistent.  I was told it was actually quite difficult to achieve.
I also have a white opalescent pressed glass piece dating to 1830s, French, and again the opalescence/white glass appearance is not quite as consistent as that seen in the jugs or in the French Bulle de Savon pieces despite it also being French and probably from Saint-Louis.

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Re: Georgian milk jug ?
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2023, 12:14:02 AM »
Interesting articles, shame some of the images are no longer there.

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Re: Georgian milk jug ?
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2023, 09:31:41 PM »
  I recall a couple threads concerning opal. One was the creamer [jug] that I ownhttps://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,71432.msg397740.html#msg397740 the other was Richardsons vases by Paul S.https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,71405.msg397534.html#msg397534 The second link you provided in the first thread still shows the opal sugar.
 
   Documented American blown opal glass Pre 1840s almost non existent. Pressed opal no shortage from roughly 1840 and onward.

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Re: Georgian milk jug ?
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2023, 10:56:06 PM »
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,71405.msg403728.html#msg403728

see here for id information for your overlay goblet.

I was reading one of the long links you posted to Cagney and came across it again so thought I'd look it up properly.

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Re: Georgian milk jug ?
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2023, 11:10:27 PM »
  I recall a couple threads concerning opal. One was the creamer [jug] that I o
 
   Documented American blown opal glass Pre 1840s almost non existent. Pressed opal no shortage from roughly 1840 and onward.

The person who told me it was difficult to make is a good authority.  I wonder if it might be because the glass is pressed and heavily patterned which could mean the glass thickness is different in different parts and the content of the white glass cools at different rates.  However, I also think it was in reference to the faint swirls of white in the smooth parts of my vase  at the top and in relation to the shaping of the top of it which I think was hand done although it's a pressed glass piece.



See also here for a magnificent piece of opalescent opaline glass c.1675-1690 - superb.
https://mayflower-antiques.co.uk/product/an-opaline-glass-cup-and-cover-with-silver-gilt-mounts-buquoy-glasshouse-south-bohemia-c-1675-1690/

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