Topic: Fused sphere surface decoration query.

[flying free]

Interestingly, this is a Baccarat reference but I think the shape is ... pretty much the same apart from no bubbly decoration between the lobes and foot width seems to be a bit wider than yours. Correct base as well
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Pressglas-Korrespondenz 2103-3

https://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2013-3w-vogt-bacc-louis-opalin-vasen.pdf

See Number 20 on the page of Vases de Fantaisie (Suite)  from MB Baccarat 1865  Planche 38

So possibly yours may date around that period?

[flying free]

ooh I've found you a reference !!!

https://pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2005-2w-mannoni-opalines.pdf

Seite 131 von 376

Yellow flacon with same design of body as your vase.
Quote here direct from Pressglas-korrespondenz - their source is Vincendeau 1998, S.88

'Abb. 2005-2/170
“Flacon de cheminée tricolore ... en opaline jaune et blanche pâte de riz, décor moulé par soufflage [form-geblasen],
dit à grenade éclatée ... serpent s’enroulant autour du col
...“
aus Vincendeau 1998, S. 88
St. Louis, Frankreich, 1845-1855 '

[Ekimp]

That’s great! …and that book looked quite expensive amazing what there is available online.

Thanks for your efforts finding this.

[flying free]

You're welcome:)  Thanks are to Mr Siegmar Geiselberger for the amazing information in the Pressglas-korrespondenz.


And if you translate the last paragraph on  Seite 132 here and then also the  information on the first few paragraphs from Seite 133, it explains very well about pate de riz and the Bohemian version of this type of glass and the difference in compound in the melt.  Interesting! :

https://pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2005-2w-mannoni-opalines.pdf

[flying free]

I'm genuinely surprised at the date 1845-1855.  That's amazing.

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[Ekimp]

Yes, pleased with that

[Lustrousstone]

Not wanting to pee on the parade but that kind of assumes Vincendeau is correct; 1998 is a long while ago in the knowledge business, so unless she had access to a catalogue...

[flying free]

It does ... and it is.  I understood that book is the most recent authority on French opalines.  I don't have the book though so I'm not sure what museum access or reference sources Vincendeau used.  That said, Cristallerie Saint-Louis and Baccarat are both still going concerns so presumably have archives and recipes.

I have Baguiers et Verres a Boire (Darnis) which is recent but it's goblets, tazzas and little tumblers so not covered in there and nothing like the vase to compare. 

Launay Hautin covers up to 1841 on Pressglas-korrespondenz


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[flying free]

The Corning reference Les Opalines and Christine Vincendeau on these:

https://www.cmog.org/artwork/2-opaline-vases


The more recent book by Leon Darnis is also really interesting.  Covers pieces from late 1700s to mid 1800s.  It shows many of the very early opalines from Montcenis and Bercy etc as well as a really broad range of colours from all the French makers - tazzas and tumblers and some goblets.
The density of the glass is added to each description as well as noting whether with or without lead. Also talks about the fluorescence colour of the glass by each maker.  My French is non-existent so it's hard to translate the information in the book though.  I think it's been used to attempt to  categorise them into which maker they came from.  Some pieces are identified.  Others state 'Attribution'.  Hundreds of good photographs.

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[flying free]

And some more an interesting information here see Seite 6 von 17 - needs to be translated.  Re the Amic, Manoni and Vincendeau books.

https://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2013-3w-vogt-bacc-louis-opalin-vasen.pdf