Topic: Fused sphere surface decoration query.

[flying free]

Interestingly, this is a Baccarat reference but I think the shape is ... pretty much the same apart from no bubbly decoration between the lobes and foot width seems to be a bit wider than yours. Correct base as well
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Pressglas-Korrespondenz 2103-3



https://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2013-3w-vogt-bacc-louis-opalin-vasen.pdf

See Number 20 on the page of Vases de Fantaisie (Suite)  from MB Baccarat 1865  Planche 38

So possibly yours may date around that period?

Came across this again on a different PK.  I think the shape is remarkably similar to your vase.  I know it doesn't have the bubbly bit but I'm just curious.  Saint Louis and Baccarat did do a few shapes the same in earlier catalogues.  By this time I don't think they were operating a joint venture any more but it's interesting to see the shape comparison.  It could read 165mm in height?  how tall is yours?
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[Ekimp]

Sorry, been away My vase is about 175mm tall.

I did previously look at that vase no.20 in your reply above. Although it looks a similar overall shape, I think the moulding of the bulbous section is quite different, not just the lack of the balls. It looks like each segment of the moulding on no.20 is identical and of a plain convex section, mine uses two different shaped segments, the segment without balls is a ribbed section.

[Ekimp]

And some more an interesting information here see Seite 6 von 17 - needs to be translated.  Re the Amic, Manoni and Vincendeau books.

https://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2013-3w-vogt-bacc-louis-opalin-vasen.pdf

From reading the PK article, it looks like Vincendeau 1998 is a rework of Amic 1952. The article seems only to have good things to say about the content of Amic 1952. Looks like that was based on sample books from Baccarat and Saint-Louis, which are hard to access.

I can’t see a reason to trust Amic and Vincendeau any less than any other reputable author on glass.

[Ekimp]

In this link, you can see the same photograph from Vincendeau as shown in the PK article linked in reply 21 but with the original French annotation.

https://www.1stdibs.com/en-gb/furniture/more-furniture-collectibles/collectibles-curiosities/books/les-opalines-christine-vincendeau-first-edition/id-f_6444953/?modal=intlWelcomeModal

French annotation:

Flacon de cheminée tricolore et son bouchon fleur en opaline jaune et blanche « pâte de riz»
décor moule par soufflage, dit « à grenade éclatée», décor rapporté en opaline bleue figurant un serpent s'enroulant autour du col au bord ondulé (doc. Compagnie des cristalleries de Saint-Louis). Manufacture de Saint-Louis.
Années 1845-1855.

Annotation Google translated:

Tricolor chimney flask and its flower stopper in yellow and white opaline “rice paste”
decoration molded by blowing, called "exploded pomegranate", decoration added in blue opaline depicting a snake winding around the neck with a wavy edge (doc. Compagnie des cristalleries de Saint-Louis). Manufacture of Saint-Louis.
Years 1845-1855.

Presumably “doc. Compagnie des cristalleries de Saint-Louis” is the original source, a document from the company?

For reference, Google translating the annotation from PK:
"Tricolor chimney flask ... in yellow and white opaline rice paste, decoration molded by blowing [form-geblasen], said with exploded pomegranate ... snake winding around the neck aus Vincendeau 1998, S. 88
St. Louis, Frankreich, 1845-1855

[flying free]

Sorry, been away My vase is about 175mm tall.

I did previously look at that vase no.20 in your reply above. Although it looks a similar overall shape, I think the moulding of the bulbous section is quite different, not just the lack of the balls. It looks like each segment of the moulding on no.20 is identical and of a plain convex section, mine uses two different shaped segments, the segment without balls is a ribbed section.

Agree with you. I had another closer look after I'd posted it and thought the same about the segments.  Apologies for the diversion



On the reference point, I also think if Vincendeau gives the reference as 'doc. Saint Louis', then it reads that she has had it corroborated at/by Saint Louis. 

On another link one of the sellers had also stated it was in the Grand Halle at Saint Louis. I couldn't find it in the pictures online but there are very very few and the museum has a huge collection of pieces.

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[Ekimp]

That’s good then, thanks.

Out of interest, I came across a photo of a group of opaline items, it looked like the vase in the middle might be the No.20 vase. https://www.kapandji-morhange.com/lot/82336/7023302