Topic: Figuring out who made it.

[ahremck]

Not sure whether I have posted this previously.  This was my Grandmother's and I always loved her and it. It is my memory of her.  This is an Internet conversation
Judy Atomizer-Parker  It is a massive database of information, but I seem to recall a similar pattern in either Germany or Czech.
Ross Mckenzie  I am thinking Czech personally, like Inwald or similar.
Yvonne Redgrove  Judy Atomizer-Parker Many companies cut this pattern, England included
Rebecca Omoto   Possibly Baccarat?
Judy Atomizer-Parker  Ross Mckenzie another glass house to check out is Dorflinger in the US. I saw a photo of one similar to yours at the top, but didn't have the "vents" on the bottom. Since Susan Arthur didn't say Baccarat, then I guess it isn't.
Yvonne Redgrove  I guess it is Baccarat, the star cutting plus I have a set that is marked Baccarat and George Stam is the expert here, he started me off with my love and collection of Baccarat.
George Stam I do not have a catalog showing these bottles, but I believe it is Baccarat or it could be Saint Louis ( similar).
Susan Arthur  Yan Schalburg I don’t think it’s Baccarat- I can’t find a single example where the top half and bottom half are cut differently like that. Never heard or read about stopper cuts being one or the other.  But... most definitely of the same era, and Baccarat and St Louis and a few others did similar work. I think I would have to see it in person to know more.
Susan Arthur  Ross McKenzie, I sent photo of your bottle to the Creeches. They replied with photo examples to explain their answer. I will post each photo with the descriptive details.…
Susan Arthur  Below.....Very popular Octagon Diamond design by Boston & Sandwich. While several other companies produced this basic design, only Sandwich featured four cut rings on the shoulder--those made in this shape by other manufacturers had only three rings, or none at all.
Susan Arthur  Below:The bold elegant design here reflects the mature mastery of Deming Jarves at the height of his power.  Made about 1865 at the Cape Cod Glass Co., the colorless layer is superior, water-clear. The rich ruby colour is undoubtedly the work of James Lloyd, Jarves' colour expert. Decoration features diamonds and vesicas. The vesicas are advanced for their time - they predate the American Brilliant Period of glassmaking.
Susan Arthur  From the Creeches: "
The mystery bottle in question displays 1) Octagon Diamonds; 2) Panels; and 3) Vesicas. **It likely was designed and fabricated in the 1860s, echoing the finest Boston & Sandwich, along with the new and beautiful Vesica cuts within the Panel shape cuts.**
Susan Arthur  Ross Mckenzie you have a very special bottle.....although I love Baccarat, this is way.......more......better! to our FB Interactive group – Elizabeth Creech is interesting in our conversations on glass, hoping to get her tied in with our glass discussions. Although they sold their entire collection at auction a few years ago, they were avid collectors of glass for glass sake, and then it morphed into perfume bottles. They had a museum quality collection and some of it did go there. I was fortunate to get a few pieces that were 'within my budget'!
Susan Arthur  Ross Mckenzie
I shared your appreciation with the Creeches. Their follow up is that think your bottle may even be a non production line item, ie a special design piece, likely one of a kind. They have had such, and feel likely yours is too.  Even better, my friend. Enjoy!!

As you can see I was lucky to find a lady with good contacts(the Creeches) in an area I have no expertise in.

It is a Boston & Sandwich Perfume decanter from the 1860s or so.

PS>  Versicas are the elongated cuts that are wider in the centre

Ross

[Paul S.]

Hi Ross  -  lovely piece - ruby and clear are eternally attractive, and great history behind this scent/perfume.     As a personal comment, doesn't something of this beauty highlight how the quality of cultural artifacts - i.e. scents like this and atomizers too - have been lost - our age defines the usefulness of something in terms of plastic and disposability.
Having flattered you, here comes my two pennyworth of input.
I don't see any mention in your words of the expression 'cut to clear'  -  when I was more involved in glass and where a clear base was covered with flashing or overlay, then cut back as we see here - the expression cut-to-clear I seem to recall was all the rage.
Notice you have two spellings of 'vesicas' and 'versicas', which assume should read 'vesica'.                 Please, please, correct me if I'm wrong, but had this understanding that the alleged Irish 'vesica' cut was a fairly shallow wheel cut that ran in a curve along/around the glass, rather than a straight vertical cut as showing on your scent.            The cuts we see here - according to my ancient memory - are simply mitres.
The cutting - both above and below the mitres - appears to my eyes to be what you guys call 'cane' and us Brits. tend to call 'hobnail'.        This was a generally fairly common cut pattern in the second half of the C19 on plain clear glass, but here it adds massively to the appearance as the central octagonal overlay remains untouched, to highlight the looks and make this one really shine.   
Hope you don't object too much to my additional words
P.S.    as with full sized bottles, do you know if 'matching Numbers' were used on these small decanters/scents?

[cagney]

  The attribution to Sandwich is current with scholarship on the subject known to me. Many if not all aspects of this bottle [cologne?] can be found in the Sandwich Guides by Barlow/ Kaiser. Some aspects correlate some what convincingly with cut glass of this period in the James Lloyd family collection, Three of which are ruby cut to clear. Although many of these aspects were in use by other glass companies foreign and domestic, overall a Sandwich attribution would in no way be out of line.
  As for cut vesica in American cut glass parlance generally it is reserved for two separate lines joined at the ends to create a pointed elongated oval and dates back at least c.1830. Two of the ruby cut to clear pieces in the Lloyd family collection use this design in the vertical crossed at the ends with mitre cuts inside echoing the basic shape in the horizontal.

[cagney]

  My keyboard or what? Lets see