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Costebelle Vase and the possible Etling Connection

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Mosquito:
Thanks -- yes, I've already seen that page and the similarity to the Reich pattern.

Regarding the comment: 'It makes it guess that Costebelle was an Artist (artistic name) who worked for Etling Project, like Georges Béal', I had considered this, but I think those designer marks are usually (always?) seen in addition to the Etling mark. In the case of these lidded pots, the examples I've seen have either been marked Etling or Costebelle and have never carried both marks. That said, I seem to recall the Loetz production for Etling was simply signed 'Richard' and didn't mention Etling either.

Other possibilities I'm considering are that may be Etling didn't have exclusive rights to some of these more common patterns, meaning that other retailers could sell them under their own names, or maybe the designs were issued under different names after Etling's store closed?

Certainly there are other instances of documented Etling designs seen with other marks, most famously perhaps 'Julien', but there's also an Etling wine coaster which is sometimes seen with 'Cesari' marks.

flying free:
I was just wondering if some of these designs which have Made in France mark but no Etling mark (or other mark such as Costebelle), may have been made for export only? hence the Made in France mark.
 

Is it known if any Etling pieces carry an Etling mark and also carry a Made in France mark i.e. both on the same piece?

I have also been wondering whether the lamps shown on ebay marked Costebelle  had a Made in France mark as well? I suppose I'm wondering if another maker/retailer abroad had delivery of the 'Made in France' marked items (marked 'made in France' as made for export for example) but with no brand name on them because they wanted to sell them under their own name or didn't want the maker identified. 


Referring back to your comment about Etling not having exclusive rights to certain designs - I wonder who designed them then?  Were they designed in house at Choisy-le-Roi? and so perhaps under the Choisy-le-Roi issue.  This would mean Choisy-le-Roi could make them and send them to whatever retailer they chose perhaps?

flying free:
This lidded pot is marked with Made in France and also Costebelle according to the museum description:

https://musees-reims.fr/oeuvre/bonbonniere-123046718313325564

part quote of info -
'inscription concernant le lieu d'exécution
sur l'assise, en creux
MADE IN FRANCE
signé ; inscription concernant le fabricant
sur l'objet, sur le récipient, sur la panse, en creux
Costebelle'

This is an interesting piece.  Just in case it helps identify the 'Costebelle' mark at some point.  It's not possible to see the signed mark in the photograph but it's an unusual and gorgeous piece, perfume bottle seemingly coloured/patinated and apparently signed 'A. Costebelle' according to the listing:
https://www.coutaubegarie.com/lot/4759/1000679-acostebelle-mouettes-annees-19

flying free:

--- Quote from: Mosquito on June 01, 2024, 08:43:03 AM ---After looking into glass marked 'Costebelle' when researching Legsy's penguin patterned pot (https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,73414.0.html), I've dug out a small mould-blown opalescent vase or lamp base from my collection in a pattern which has also been seen with the mark 'Costebelle'.

The vase stands approx 13 cm tall by 6 cm in diameter at the base. There is a faint 'Made in France' moulded mark to the underside. This example has no other apparent mark, but a pair of these mounted as lamps were sold on Ebay Fr with clear moulded 'Costebelle' marks. Sadly that listing has since expired, but for now a photo from the listing showing the mark can be found here: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yjoAAOSwvzZlVjB7/s-l1600.jpg

Interestingly, on my vase the area where the Costebelle mark would be has a noticeably rougher texture (last pic. below), possibly suggesting the mark was removed from the mould.

So far I cannot find a great deal about Costebelle. As I noted in the above post, Ivo's book lists a Verreries de Costebelle who specialised in lighting. However, there also appears to be an Etling connection as several lidded boxes in known Etling commission designs are also sometimes seen with the moulded Costebelle mark.

Does anybody know more about Costebelle? Are these opalescent/frosted piees from Verreries de Costebelle or were they made at Choisy-le-Roi as the Etling pieces are believed to have been?

...

Also, the motif on this vase may be related to that on a lidded box which is also seen sometimes with Etling marks and sometimes with the 'Costebelle' mark: https://www.antique-shimaisha.com/product/1229 Etling's 274 'Boy and ball' pattern: https://projetetling.wikidot.com/etling274boyball

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Is this piece the same as the one in this link which shows  a perfume atomiser - apparently H19cm though?
https://www.varenne-encheres.com/lot/25347/5516319-costebelle-annees-1930rare-fla?

Mosquito:
Certainly looks to be the same pattern. I guess the difference in height is due to the measurement also including the atomiser hardware. Presumably there must be more of a neck on this one too for the atomiser to fit over. It would be difficult to fit an atomiser on my example, so I wonder if it’s been cut down at some point or if this pattern was available with different neck styles. Interesting to see the same pattern as both a lamp and an atomiser.

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