also when a student makes his own way after studying under a master, is h/she not influenced by his or her teacher? they may say that they are individal , but the teaching is still there, as with everything, what is passed on cannot be individual , it is a amalgam of teacher and student, a pliable mixture of influences , from the teachers teacher, and the student who becomess the teacher, im sure if you asked Adam if he thought any of his students were influenced by him , he would like to think they were, but also that they had their own ideas of what design should be. ( did any of that make sence?) sue x