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Hortensja, POLAND - a major discovery (Deco and Carnival)
josordoni:
It is very interesting, I had not realised Poland was such an important glass design centre.
Cathy B:
Hi Glen,
On inspecting my pieces, I'm pretty sure mine were genuinely made in Australia. My immediate gut feel was that the cactus plant under the palm was quite different. On comparison the proportions of the pattern differ in very many ways.
Here's my 8.5" salad.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/palmtrees1.jpg
And the detail:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/palmtreesdetail.jpg
Compare these with your bowl. There are differences in relative lengths and angles of the zig-zag element, the detail on the cactus at the base of the tree, the positioning of the stars and the texture of the bark on the tree.
The profile seems to be different - the sides are straighter (which appears to me to be a characteristic simplification that Crown Crystal used when copying patterns).
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/palmtrees2.jpg
I thought perhaps the bowl that you showed may have been a different size, hence the different proportions. But, the same differences show up on the other pieces I have.
The nappy:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/palmtreesnappy.jpg
cf with the nappies Christine found. The positioning of the stars is the most obvious difference in these, but look at the amount the zig zag line comes out from the base of the tree to the right. The colour also seems to be different--Mine's a bog-standard uranium lettuce green.
In the flesh, the vase also shows similar proportions to the other pieces found in Australia, but it's harder to make out the pattern:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/palmvase.jpg
The only one that I'm not entirely sure about is this sandwich plate, which shows a clarity of metal which would be extremely unusual for a Crown piece.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/palmtreessandwich.jpg
But then, these were made in the late 20s before the depression really bit and the standards slid appallingly, so perhaps? Not sure about this one though.
On the weight of that evidence, coupled with the fact that there was a full suite of pieces and a series number ( '78' ), and that I've evidence from various documents that Crown were not above copying pieces, I believe that these items are indeed Australian.
Seriously, they had absolutely no shame. If they were producing them these days, we'd be shooting them down as fakes :) :) :)
Do you have a rough date for your catalogue, Glen?
Cathy
Cathy B:
--- Quote from: "Lustrousstone" ---I have just realised what Cathy meant when she agreed with me :shock: I only meant the palm tree was pictured upside down :oops: and that it had taken me a few seconds to work out that it was the same. Must have been one of those psychic moments
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh, that's what you meant! Doh!! And there I was, wondering how on earth you knew about the Australian connection!! :) :)
Cathy B:
--- Quote from: "Glen" ---I suppose the jury is still out - but I suspect Hortensja. What do you think, Cathy?
Glen
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Definitely. The ones that Christine has linked are not Australian - so I agree.
Cathy
Glen:
Hi Cathy - the date of the Hortensja catalogue is 1936. I imagine that sourcing others is not going to be easy, but at least we now have a start.
Many thanks for the photos and details of your Palm Tree pieces - it really is a most interesting situation. One thing that is emerging very strongly is that Australia and Poland had a firm trade link - and I feel sure that Beverley Crystal is tied up in it.
I can also see a whole range of vases in the Hortensja catalogue that are like the Melon Rib vases. There are links here that we are only just touching the surface of.
Glen
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