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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: NevB on March 16, 2023, 06:51:27 PM

Title: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: NevB on March 16, 2023, 06:51:27 PM
These are usually called vases but I think they are more just for decoration, the date is from around 1890-1910. It is quite large at 14cm. tall and 15cm. at it's longest. Oddly, the green glass stem isn't uranium but the clear glass leaves are.
Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 16, 2023, 07:29:40 PM
 :) ;) These are called Audreys. After The Little Shop of Horrors.
This was decided very early on in the days of the message board and is sadly, not actually official.  ;D
Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: NevB on March 16, 2023, 09:40:47 PM
Thanks Sue, no wonder I couldn't find any posts about them. I think I prefer floriform, very Shakespearean  :)
Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 17, 2023, 09:07:48 AM
That's a manganese glow, not a uranium one. It could also be Aarhus rather than Kralik
Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: NevB on March 17, 2023, 07:13:10 PM
Christine, after some checking I agree it could be by Kralik or Aarhus, either way I don't mind. I still think the leaves contain uranium, the camera tends to blur the image from what is visible to the naked eye. Here's a better photo which shows the clarity, consistency and intensity of the glow.
Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 18, 2023, 10:43:40 AM
Definitely not a bright enough or all over enough glow and the leaves are colourless. The green would have probably have been uranium if it was being used at all
Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: NevB on March 18, 2023, 11:24:52 AM
I will have to disagree.
Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 18, 2023, 03:57:56 PM
I'm with Christine.
How far away from the floriform can you take the uv source and it still glows?
If it's about 10 feet away and it is uranium it will still glow. Manganese decolourant won't.
Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: NevB on March 19, 2023, 10:02:45 AM
Yes Sue it glows from 10ft. away, albeit faintly, this Victorian beer glass gives a good indication of Manganese glow.
Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 19, 2023, 02:39:44 PM
 :) I'm quite familiar with the manganese glow, and the glow you get from ancient dust, but a manganese glow is exactly what I see in your floriform, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: Ekimp on March 19, 2023, 08:41:49 PM
Just been browsing as you do and noticed that Carl Hosch, Haida, also has a couple of this type of vase. In the 1912 catalogue, Tafel 195 items 5102 and 5108 (page 35 of the download). Item 5108 is very similar. Catalogue download made available by the Corning Museum:

https://www.cmog.org/library/cat-vi-25?search=library_collection%3A572a86a7d62dfed873a045880655a02c&page=6
Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: flying free on March 19, 2023, 09:10:12 PM
There is some information on the Carl Hosch business here.  I just looked it up because I thought I recalled reading in Truitt's Bohemian Glass book that Hosch bought in items from various glass makers:

https://fairylamps.snappages.site/hosch-catalog

Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: Ekimp on March 19, 2023, 09:25:43 PM
That’s interesting, thanks. It’s never straight forward :)
Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: flying free on March 19, 2023, 10:49:21 PM
 It's a bit of a minefield with the use of descriptors.  I think of Bohemian glass as ' who made it and who decorated it?'. Loetz made for other makers, so did Josephinenhutte as far as I know.  And many makers supplied to the distributors.  Then there are the glass schools.  Trying to get to grips with the 'middlemen' has eluded me.  I have to look them up every time to ensure I've got the structure right - i.e. maker, or maker and decorator, distributor, overseas agent/seller'    I still have to look at a map to see where a particular glassmaker was based complicated by the difference in German name for a region and the Czech name.  Truitts has been an invaluable book from that perspective.
Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: NevB on March 20, 2023, 10:39:29 AM
Thanks Ekimp, another excellent Corning download, I'll put it in my collection for future reference  :). The 5108 does look similar but could be by one of several makers. Interestingly, I see further down there are examples of "Mary Gregory" glass.
Title: Re: Kralik Floriform Vase
Post by: Ekimp on March 20, 2023, 04:18:40 PM
Yes, a useful resource. What strikes me when looking through catalogs is the amount of glass produced, and how similar lots of it is between companies and regions, especially drinking glasses.

M, I think I might have to add the Truitts book to the list :)