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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: Gilead on June 03, 2008, 07:04:43 PM
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Evening.
Today i purchased these two caged glass lamps can anyone please help me with how and when thease may have been made please, from the fitting i am guessing 50s but dont know anything about lamps, i intend to put these up on the wall over the decking area i am in the process of doing, think they will had a nice ambiance to the area.
would these have been blown in a mould with the cage already in ? am a bit worried about taking the cage of and not getting it back on as they need to be rewired,
cheers
Steve
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Nazeing and Whitefriars made similar
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Hi johnphillip.
any idea how i can tell the difference please or is this one of the mysteries of life ;D am going to attempt to take them a part later hoping to rewire them so will have to keep off the wine ::)
steve
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managed to get the tops off not going to be that hard to rewire after all :hiclp:, so a quick project tomorrow for me.
Steve
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As this style of lamp was/is blown into the cage. I wonder how they got the pattern in the glass? :huh:
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I will dig out the Nazeing book in the morning and then ask Ray Annenberg about the W/Fs ones,i did have a chat with Ray about these a few years back when we saw some of the W/Fs in an antique shop.I believe we have a Nazeing contact on the forum.JP
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Hi Max.
A question i was asking myself and thought they must have had the cage in the mould when they were blown but then i thought would'nt the glass have gone round the cage and been stuck.
Hopefully some one maybe able to explain this ? have looked high and low for these on the web under both Nazeing and Whitefrars but to no avail.
Steve
PS thank you johnphillip appreciated, crossed as i was typing my reply to Max.
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Hi again Steve, i think the reason you cant find any on the net is probably very few people know what they are the ones i saw with Ray about ten years ago are still in the same shop or they were two weeks ago four of them just described as hanging lamp shades.
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johnphillip.
That is interesting to know i wonder if they are of the same make four you say i could always put six up instead of two ;D, but may make the place look like an Xmas tree then?
cheers
steve
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The pattern would have come from a dip mould prior to blowing in the cage. These don't look like Nazeing ones, metalwork is a bit coarse. Can you add some details of the top fitting, I can see the bulb holder is a replacement but the metal will date them if it is original. A lot of companies made this and Nazeing started in the 30's but earlier is possible too, for other makers.
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Hi Frank.
The top fitting seems to be of a very thin tin metal the hooks are of cast alloy with LD printed in a diamond logo? if that is of any help.
have taken some quick photos close up which may show you the top better.
Steve
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Circa 1960-70 would be my guess, LD might indicate the maker of the hooks and they can be tough to track down. Is the mark on both castings? I have quite a few catalogues with such things in but all packed away waiting scanning.
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Frank.
Yes both castings have the same mark under closer observation the glass seems to have melted to the cage at the neck point, as holding the glass from twisting if you get my drift, best way i can explain. can try and photo if you so wish in daylight tomorrow?
Steve
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Steve, we've discussed these types of lanterns before - it might be of interest and offer some leads: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1636.0.html :)
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Not specifically related to the lamps in question, but just to add another known manufacturer to the pot.... this style of lamp was also produced by Kastrup, c.1957-65, and designed by Jacob E. Bang.
Promotional photo, c.1960, of Bang with a lamp...
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The cheaper metal work on that one is closer to the subject of this thread which further supports a circa 1960 date.
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I spoke to Ray Annenberg he said the W/Fs did have a black metal top i will show him a picture of this one on Sunday at the glass fair REFLECT and he will know if its W/Fs.
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Hi johnphillip.
Thank you for your time and that would be very kind of you, i have taken some more photo's now i have removed the tops, and the glass as can be seen is moulded to the metal work round the rim of the lamps if this is of any help?. also the metal work seems to be original and not painted.
Regards
Steve
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I saw some iridescent ones on ebay attributed to Loetz so may well be by some other Bohemian firm. ;D
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Made in France too...
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Hi showed the pictures to Ray Annenberg this afternoon not W/Fs his feeling continental.
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Hi, If you go to the 'Cafe' you can see a link to a short film of this type of lamp being made.......
Regards Patrick.
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johnphillip
thank you for asking at least we now know that they are not WF, also Patrick thanks for the link for the film very interesting and nice to see how someone would have made them.
Steve
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Evening.
Today i purchased these two caged glass lamps can anyone please help me with how and when these may have been made please, from the fitting i am guessing 50s but don't know anything about lamps, i intend to put these up on the wall over the decking area i am in the process of doing, think they will had a nice ambiance to the area.
would these have been blown in a mould with the cage already in ? am a bit worried about taking the cage of and not getting it back on as they need to be rewired,
cheers
Steve
They could be by Nazeing Glass Works of Broxbourne from the mid 1950' to early 1970's.
There are about ten different designs and shape and they were blown in smoke, amber, a pale purple, and ruby. I my be able to post some photos here, later.
Incidentally, my wife and I spotted two of our shapes hanging at Chartwell, Sir Winston Churchill's home in Kent. A small company of wire-drawers, based locally in Hoddesdon, made most of the frames for us. They developed a special machine making square rather than flat or round wire canes.
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Square wire would be a good clue, mostly had flat or round. Metal used varies too.