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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Animals & Figurines => Topic started by: chickpeaoz on November 12, 2013, 10:52:32 AM
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Todays Find - a unique glass ram. I am new to glass so clueless as to its origins or maker. Any help in identifying this piece would be greatly appreciated.
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Hey cool you found your way here, hope someone can help (Kat Morgan FB)
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WOW, what a really beautiful glass Ram!!
I have no idea of the maker .... YET!! but I will do my very best to help you find out.
I spend all my life collecting glass animals and birds, so it will be a pleasure to help find the maker of this one.
In the meantime, a warm welcome to the Glass Message Board, and it may well be that others here will already know and recognise the base mark.
Here's to happy hunting for the maker. :)
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May not be the exact same ram, but its really close to it in every way in the showcase next to mine & its got a Ronneby Glassworks Konstglas FM label.
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Welcome to GMB.
Could be FM Konstglas, although it looks rather too delicate - can you post a photo of yours, Ohio? I can't work out the mark, so is it possible to post a further photo of the base itself?
There are also quite a few threads on GMB relating to this company, so do a search through those. There is also a Swedish forum where these glass figurines figure highly, but I cannot think of its name ATM. Anyone?
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I don't think it is the FM Konstglas Ram you are talking about Ohio and David E. I have one boxed away at present, but here is an example on eBay of the one I think you are thinking of:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Handmade-Glass-Art-Amethyst-Purple-Ram-Figurine-FM-Konstglas-Ronneby-Sweden-/181221908623
They come I other colours and this includes clear glass.
However the 'Pig' shaped mark on the base of yours chickpeaoz is the lead I am following at present. Yours is quite different.
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Thank you everyone for your feedback. I have attached a photo of the whole base. I will try and take a better photo of the mark itself.
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The one I've seen in the showcase next to mine is lying down like the OP's, has the FM label (black as I recall) & is not the one Rosie has although I've seen the one like hers. The face is different though on second thought as the one in the showcase next to mine is not pointed as the OP's. I guess it must be someone elses.
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I love a good mystery but find it very frustrating too. So nice to get another view on the mark Rosie Posie. I am so used to looking for initials that I could not see past a swirly letter M. I will try and do another rubbing today and see if it changes things. It is the detail of the nose and horns that tends to rule some things out ( well not completely)
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I see it as possibly Murano, but they seldom use pressed marks, more often a label.
I look forward to seeing a newer rubbing. Is the mark an indented one or a raised one??
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Thanks Rosie. It is an indented mark. I have gone back to my pottery tricks and put vegemite on the glass to make the mark stand out more - hopefully this will help.
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I am clutching at straws here and as mine has no signature I think it is unlikely - what do you think of the shape of this frog compared with my ram?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Art-Glass-Frog-Figurine-Signed-Licio-Zanetti-Muano-Glass-Zanetti-L-/330929677140?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d0cf22354 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Art-Glass-Frog-Figurine-Signed-Licio-Zanetti-Muano-Glass-Zanetti-L-/330929677140?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d0cf22354)
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I don't think your ram is a Licio Zanetti piece, I have never seen one with an impressed mark, only ever either his full signature ( on pieces he believed to be his best work) or Zanetti L.
I would so like to see a better picture of the impressed mark, the Vegemite just seems to have muddled it. Where on the ram is the mark....is it on one of the feet or central to the underbelly?
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The mark is on one of the feet. I took this one with my camera earlier today but again with vegemite. Will try and take another one without the vegemite now!
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Sorry - pitch black here now and the flash is distorting the images. Will have to try again tomorrow. Any tips on photographing glass is also appreciated.
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Is the impression simply the shear marks? Doesn't look much like a signature to me. But you could try to photograph it in daylight, trying to get light to shine across the base. Needs to be hand-held, but you should be able to snap one. Have the camera set to macro mode (tulip icon) as this will help with focussing. Hope this helps.
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New to Glass and have just looked up shear mark - you have just dashed my hopes of the marks possibly being initials. There are two definite lines coming down from the more swirly main line across. Could this still happen when it is cut? Warned you I have NO CLUE!!! but I am slowly learning.
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I'm thinking it's a shear mark too.
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Well, your hopes are dashed regarding a signature, but he's still a magnificent beast! ;D
Anyway, the base definitely rules out V.Nason and Ronneby, which are both closely related in style and make. Signatures (or labels, assuming they have not been removed) on these are invariably present. Could still be Scandinavian?
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I think it is a studio piece from Australia most likely. They are not shears marks , they are raised and think the initials are TR (see photo) I have cropped and doctored from yours. Unfortunately I do not know of a TR. There is a Tyrone Renyon listed as an alumni of The Jam Factory , Adelaide Glass School so maybe it is one of his.
Ross
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Another thought. Contact www.crystalstubbsglass.com/ she made clear pieces like that in her earlier days and she might know who did make it even if she did not.
Ross
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So it looks as though there's plenty for you to be going on with in terms of research chickpeaoz, and I tend to agree with Ross that this is not a shear mark.
However, my thoughts that it could be a pig, must have made you laugh Ross!! So we are looking for a possible TR is a stylised oval form.
In the meantime, I am back off to have more of a look at all the wonderful glass on the Crystal Stubbs website. :)
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I think the owner should know
It is an indented mark
not
they are raised
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I wonder if there is confusion here .... might the whole oval be raised, but the symbol within it be indented or even the other way round?
The way the symbol retains the Vegemite does suggest that this particular part is indented, and in the pencil rubbing, this symbol is not picking up the graphite, so again, suggesting it is indented, but the whole oval area does catch the graphite so it may well be both. i.e. a raised oval with an indented symbol.
Can you confirm that for us please chickpeaoz?
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Well there has been a hive of activity overnight! OK so there are two raised ovals at the back of the ram which I believe are supposed to represent the back hoofs/legs of the ram but are most likely there to give the back stability?? It is definitely an incised mark and I when I look down at it I cannot see a TR unless I reverse the image in a mirror ( hope this makes sense).
So I have decided to hand draw it to give you a better idea and have also drawn it from a sideways perspective so that you can look at it from both directions - one way look almost like a Greek letter?? ( but don't know my Greek letters and haven't checked this out thoroughly). All thoughts and discussions are greatly appreciated. It has that OLD glass look to it - yellowy colour. Again don't know enough to know!
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It does not look like a makers mark to me, more likely an artefact of the glass making process. Using vegemite to highlight a mark is a fine idea though.
John
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My first vague impresions of the mark were that they looked a bit like an acid-etched mark I have seen on a Japanese made pressed glass clock.
I'm certinly not so sure they look anything like the mark now!
However - it was a very minimalist stylised mark of a face profile with big flying hair behind it.
I haven't managed to work out the maker of that clock yet.
The mark was also on the clock face, along with "Japan" and another word but I didn't have my reading glasses with me to make it out.
The metal was the same yellowy colour...
And it disappeared from the charity shop before I remembered to have the right glasses with me to check.