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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: serafin on October 31, 2017, 03:50:14 PM
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I have a full set of this glassware, with gold ribs,can anyone tell me who made it and what year,Thank you very much.
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More pictures
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this decorative type of frieze/banding, part in relief, with full gilding, occurs on some of the Walther (German) pressed glass - but I can't for the life of me recall the descriptive name - but there is one .......... I know we've had big chats on this sort of decoration before.
Decoration similar to this is associated, usually, with 1930 - 40 period (and perhaps earlier) - and is described as belonging to what is often called art deco design.
That's not to say remotely that these glasses have that sort of age, neither that they might originate in Germany - but it's possible they have some connection with Germany, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, and of course, it may well be that this type of decoration is produced currently.
Maximum information can often evoke maximum response :) some idea of dimensions, a picture of the underside of the foot, and information on their geographical area of purchase is also helpful.
I doubt that anyone would be rash enough to suggest a year of manufacture - you might be offered a decade, possibly. ;D
Images of some Walther pieces with this type of banded/gilded relief decoration can be seen on Pamela's 'pressed glass pavillon'.
Of course, I could be completely wrong - but please someone remind me of the name given to this type of decoration.
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Thank you Paul,grate information,This set (50 pieces)belonged to my grandmother,almost certain they have more than 40 years at least, but they might be older.
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I think the decoration maybe called.
GOLD RIMMED GLASSWARE
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Hi - I suppose in a literal sense it may be described as such :) - two minutes after getting into bed the word came to me - I could be wrong, but this type of frieze decoration - in relief with gilding is usually called 'oroplastic'. Have a look on the Board's search facility and see what you think.
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Thank you Paul,grate info about oroplastic,hope someone can tell me who made them..
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Oroplastic
I have no idea of where, but maybe Belgium?
m
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I don't think we know the whereabouts of serafin - or do we? Do you know if your Grandmother travelled on the Continent, and if so have you any idea of approximately when?
m may well be correct with the suggestion of Belgium - my own guesswork might have been to think perhaps further south, possibly - not because of Pamela's Walther pieces, but I seem to have seen the connection with Harrach and Moser previously - although I'm not saying these pieces are from either of those houses.
Sorry to say serafin, but we may hit a dead end with any real progress regarding origin - attribution is often a case of not being an exact science.
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It may be found though. There were lots of different designs of oroplastic.
I said Belgium just to add another place to look. Val ST Lambert did oroplastic decoration as well.
At least if Serafin looks up Fipopp and oroplastic she may find a match :)
m
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thanks - I'd not thought of VSL. I did wonder if the particular pattern of this frieze might have given a clue as to origin - it's possible someone might recognize it.
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VSL could well be possible, I need to have a look at an image by daylight as the frieze is so small in the catalogue ... I'll do it tomorrow.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is just a gold decor and not oro- or galvanoplastie...perhaps it is the acid etched, and therefor in relief, frieze that gives this idea...or perhaps I'm just talking nonsense...wont be a first.
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Anne I think it is oroplastic - or at least that is what I thought it might be called?
I don't think it's just a gilded decoration difficult to tell though.
But it doesn't really look any different to mine here:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,48682.msg274376.html#msg274376
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Oroplastie, or gavanoplastie for the French public, does not wear like your example, unless I'm wrong, but you should have a base metal i thought.
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ah,no the Bohemian pieces are banded around a glass like that on mine. Perhaps it is 'commonly' called 'oroplastic' but maybe it is not what VSL would determine as oroplastic?
I would like to understand it better. Perhaps that is the wrong word to describe those with just the band?
I have seen it called Fipopp but I thought that was a Moser thing?
m
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At VSL it is called galvanoplastie, galvanized crystal. I might have the design on the glass in question, but I'll come back to that tomorrow. At VSL I don't think I've ever seen partly galvanized wine glasses, just bowls and vases and the odd pressed tumbler but galvanized entirely. I've had pieces that showed wear and you could see the different layers of metal underneath the top one. Stemware was just gold decorated, for as far as I know.
Just to illustrate, and it's not that easy to see, but on the vase it's the easiest ... You can see on both items different colours of copper, yellow and red underneath eachother and under that, although that's not visible, a white-metal or silver base. The wear is due to use of polish, a pain to remove from the pattern once it's old and dried-up, but i use wooden toothpicks. The wear and loss of patina are a bit less visible by applying clear bees wax and after a couple of days the copper turns several shades darker.
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Thank you all very much for all the information,my grandmother was born in Spain, moved to Mexico City at the age of 35, until she past away at the age of 80,She traveled a lot to Spain, and spent long periods there,I hope this information will help
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Moser ?
http://www.moser-glass.com/en/p/drinking-set-copenhagen-9900/
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And I think we have a winner, thank you John.
In the add it is mentioned 'for admirers of gilded decorations available also in variety with oroplastic design (a wide gilded border with flower design) '
So does that make this design just gold decorated then, as it's clear that this design is not a floral one?
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Pattern Copenhagen relatively modern i would have thought.
www.replacements.com/webquote/mogcop.htm
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Copenhagen was designed in 1909. I would also expect them to be marked on the base
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I can not get a really good look at the original glass but does the foot look modern moulded and there are so many of them so i would have thought made for a while?, is it called design 1909 based on an older shape?.
Not sure if Moser d0 not sign seconds like Stuart Crystal for example?.
http://www.moser-glass.com/en/p/drinking-set-copenhagen-9900/
A Victorian modern set by Moser http://www.moser-glass.com/en/p/drinking-set-lady-hamilton-4400/
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As we know, some of Stuart's designs for drinking glasses had much longevity of production, and lasted until their demise.
How times change - for eons people wanted lead glass with a ring that resonated and descriptive terms such as 34% lead crystal, were a sign of high end guaranteed quality.
And now we see sales ploys of the Moser 'Copenhagen' pattern reading '........ecologically friendly lead-free crystal ...............' so no longer any point in flicking your glasses to impress the guests. ;)
Could be wrong, but don't I recall that when we've had 'oroplastic' before, some of the frieze designs shown some form of Greek influence - so maybe not essential that the design is of a floral nature?
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As Paul mentioned, some of these oroplastic designs have figures on them.
Anne, I think that is just worded that in their particular case, the oroplastic design happens to be one with a floral border.
That is, it does not have to be floral to be considered oroplastic.
m
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Ah ok, thank you for the explanation.
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The pattern number is 9900, but the original design dates from 1909
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Thank you very much to all, it is incredible how fast you found who made it and the model, I am very grateful, Is there a way of knowing what year they were manufactured ? They are not marked on the bootom ,again thank you all very much,
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Probably not unless you can find a mark on any of them