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Title: matt engraved stirrup or coaching cup horse and rider fox what date please?
Post by: flying free on September 13, 2015, 10:34:13 AM

Just looking at this for my other topic and wondered whether 19th century was correct for this engraving?

Any help much appreciated :)

http://bid.igavelauctions.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=2835110
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Title: Re: matt engraved stirrup or coaching cup horse and rider fox what date please?
Post by: flying free on September 17, 2015, 11:09:56 AM

Could anyone confirm whether the engraving on this piece is 19th century please?
thank you.
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Title: Re: matt engraved stirrup or coaching cup horse and rider fox what date please?
Post by: oldglassman on September 17, 2015, 12:30:06 PM

Hi ,
        Confirmation of date with any engraving on glass is very difficult but I would suspect this to be later, early 20thc, it looks very similar in style to what is found on 20th c rummers with country pursuits
 
cheers ,
Peter.

Title: Re: matt engraved stirrup or coaching cup horse and rider fox what date please?
Post by: flying free on September 17, 2015, 01:02:35 PM

Thanks Peter, I thought it also looked similar to some engraving on two labelled Royal Brierley glasses, albeit the engraving seems pretty crude on the stirrup cup - the back leg of the horse is just, well... weird frankly.  I did wonder if the engraver had ever seen a horse before. 

 I'd come to the conclusion that  it is difficult to tell the difference between centuries so it could be 20th, but  then wondered if Stevens and Williams would have let that engraving out the door? It's really oddly done I think. 
  I'm trying to marry it up with the heavy fox head  which appears in the S&W book but is not mentioned and I have one as well but mine is not engraved.

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Title: Re: matt engraved stirrup or coaching cup horse and rider fox what date please?
Post by: oldglassman on September 17, 2015, 01:17:21 PM

Hi ,
             I suppose S & W could have made the cups but they were engraved elsewere, it is pretty crude but seems to be pretty common and was probably quick and cheap to do.

cheers ,
Peter.