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Glass Trinket Sets / Re: Is this a Sowerby Trinket Set?
« Last post by Jayne on Yesterday at 10:12:25 PM »
Additionally, the actual dressing table set which is the main topic of the thread is now identified as Sowerby Pattern 2707;

https://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms3/english/sowerby/2707
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Glass Trinket Sets / Re: Is this a Sowerby Trinket Set?
« Last post by Jayne on Yesterday at 10:06:09 PM »
I just read some moans about people disliking links, so I'm adding my Sowerby 2501/Cadet/Junior in green pics here too.

Also a note to Anne, I Googled "Sowerby Maid" and the only relevant thing that appeared was an old thread of yours. Reading through, I wonder if the above set/pot qualifies as a "bright diamond design"?  ;D

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=29801.0

For clarification the green sets I posted some 12 years ago are simply Sowerby Pattern 2501 shown here;

https://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms3/english/sowerby/2501

However, I would suggest the date for the 2501 sets is more 1930's due to pattern number 2501 coming before 2522 'Diamond' shown in the 1936 Catalogue. And after 2487 'Manchester' which I believe is shown in 1933 and 1936 catalogues/lists but dates seem off on the GTS site?
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also I think from reading the reports,that it seems unlikely there would have been much American glass over here in the UK in that late 19th century period.
The report seems to ask how they can increase their exports to the various countries and the answer seems to be ... produce the products people want in that country,  produce them on time, ship them on time and with packing rates that are comparable to competitors in Europe and have sales people over in the countries to sell the items. 
The few I've read don't seem to indicate there are any insurmountable trade barriers in comparison to other countries so trade agreements/import tax doesn't seem to be the problem.  It does appear that they were trying to find a way of increasing their trade with European countries.

Therefore, along with the design indicators, I'd say the opaline vases in this thread are more likely to be French than American?
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If the pair you own are Sowerby Venetian Finger cups in the green with turqoise rim then they were extremely expensive compared to their other finger cups - the most expensive by a long way.  See page 427 of the linked report.
They cost 18 shillings per dozen versus their 'coloured' ones which were 6 shillings per dozen.  Even the ones which were cut flutes and star were only 14 shillings per dozen.
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They did register patents but I don't know about designs.

Baccarat was marked from ? maybe late 19th?
Saint-Louis is marked as well.

I remember a thread on here years ago where Bernard commented on it.  The fact that glass factories didn't mark their items and how astonishing it was that someone would produce some fabulous art glass vase and it would then go out without makers mark on. By comparison to pottery/china and silver it is actually quite shocking.
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Well I have just tried and I can get my delicate (not) fingers in them, so we will call them finger rinsers.

Yes, Venetian is the style, available in flint and green although flint versions are rarer so maybe not so popular.
If you look at the pattern book page in the webpage there are two clear patterns shown and one of the glass jugs in the gallery is in clear flint glass.
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Actually I've just checked the price list of the Venetian on page 440 and there isn't a butter or salt in the list.
Perhaps they might have been their 'finger cups'?  10cm probably isn't that small diameter in reality and perhaps would have functioned as a finger rinser?

It also seems that the range 'Venetian' applies to the style rather than the green with blue because they say the 'Venetian' range is available in 'Flint' or 'Venetian green with turquoise tops'.  So it's the handblown range/style that is called 'Venetian'.  Not specifically green with turquoise rims.  This is probably already known info, but I'd always assumed 'Sowerby Venetian' referred specifically to the blown glass range in green with turquoise applied rims.
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I think we decided on another thread that finger cups was a description for what we think of as finger bowls yes.  The pair of bowl in the gallery I think would be too small for that description as they're only 10cm in diameter.  Perhaps butters/master salts maybe?

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Looks like they could be Venetian. Are finger cups what we call finger bowls or rinsers?

Might be like the pair of bowls in the Gallery on this page:
http://www.victorianpressedglass.com/sowerby_venetian.htm
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And that’s why the Brits used the registered design lozenge to curb copying around this time. I’m not sure if the French or Americans ever used a similar idea. Apart from trademarks or names?
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