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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: cubby01 on January 26, 2013, 09:40:09 PM
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Assuming this is Toso? and probably from the '40s?. Please let me know if otherwise.
Just over 4-1/8" tall, 2-7/8 across the rim.
Are there specific canes I would look for that would come from specific makers?
Thanks, -Buck
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Sorry, but no this one is not Fratelli Toso. I believe millefiori items with canes like these were made by AVeM, but I haven't been able to get proof positive. Some pieces with these type canes were made 1950-70s, but some could be earlier. (I love to be always be able to give such definite answers when it comes to Murano glass. :)) )
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Ha ha :), thanks Anita! That's what I get for using ebay as a reference ;D. That's why I was asking about specific canes/ murrine that may be clues to who did it. Still a nice tumbler, regardless. -Buck
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Buck, they also tend to have the same value as Toso. What the value is, I don't know anymore, but back in the day they sold for about the same.
BTW, some things with this type cane were marketed in the US by Decora Imports. It is what gave me the idea they might be AVeM. However, I've not been able to learn if Decora imported from other companies as well. We may never know.
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For fun, here's the two that I own. They're 3 5/8" tall. I'd assumed they, too, are Fratelli Toso because that's what all these satin caned pieces are called. I, too, haven't got a clue as to what they're worth (if I had to guess, I'd say $20-$30 apiece. I think I like Buck's better. The green and yellow are a happy color combo.
Charles
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Charles, yours are not Fratelli Toso, either. The canes on yours are thinner sliced and more contemporary. I have a feeling they were made 1980s or later.
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Not to hi-jack the thread, but here's another, much larger tumbler. It measures 4 1/8" large. The comparison is instructive. Quality is poor, muddy (lacking the clarity of the other posted pieces) and it is full of tiny dark inclusions, which I'm assuming are sand. The quality of execution, however, is similar to finer Toso/AVEM pieces. Thin construction, similar pontil. I have no idea who made it. If memory serves, I purchased it at an estate sale for something like $15-20. Probably a mistake, but it's not the end of the world.
Charles
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Anita - one interesting (unusual?) design detail about the pair of smaller tumblers is that a small number of the canes are sideways. I'm not sure you can tell from my small pictures. I'm surprised to learn they might be newer pieces, because the quality is really outstanding. The work to create utilitarian tumblers like these wouldn't seem to be worth the bother in a high-wage environment such as Murano. I'll need to study up on canes on confirmed pieces to see if I can tell the difference. Maybe I'll post a pic of my yellow mushroom lamp separately for fun. It's one of the nicest things I own.
Charles
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Charles, the glass made in Murano later is often better quality than the earlier glass. The furnaces burn cleaner and the masters keep setting the bar higher. The better glass now has a wow factor that was missing in the earlier glass. The glass itself is clearer and more free of bubbles. So I guess one could say the quality of pieces from the master is improving. The only thing the new pieces are missing is age. Sometimes I look at the work of Pino Signoretto and compare it to the early animals of Barovier. There is no comparison. Masters like Lino Tagliapietra make pieces designed by Dino Martens looks elementary. It was a learning process, I'm sure, where the student was expected to exceed the mentor.
I don't know when the canes used for your two tumblers came into use. I have seen them in later pieces, so I tend to link them with being later dates. They are brighter than the old canes used to be. I can't put an exact date on them. If they had gold on them, I would suspect a company like Gambaro & Poggi or Campanella. Maybe it is just safest to say no, the tumblers aren't F. Toso. Maybe someone will have an idea who made them.
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Here is a tumbler that looks like Fratelli Toso to me. http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7057026 Notice how thick the cane slices are.
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The two vases that Charles has shown in post #4 have canes that are known to have been made by Effetre (after they took over (?) Moretti). One company that certainly used, and maybe still does use, those canes is Livio Campanella.
A search on the Board for Effetre and / or Campanella will locate several other threads relating to canes of that type. Unfortunately the lower level pages for the Effetre website are not currently showing so the canes cannot be viewed directly.
As for the other vases ...
Post #1 has canes with colours that I personally find unattractive and these are known from many paperweights that are possibly pre-1960s Murano but of uncertain maker (but often said to be Fratelli Toso)
Post # 6 has canes that I do not recognise, but Anita's point about thin cane slices is very pertinent, to which I would add that the many straight edges when set together makes them look quite distinctive. But I do not recognise these from paperweight use.
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It is a keeper -- Love it!!