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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: pilgham on August 18, 2010, 02:08:32 AM
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Hi, can anyone tell me the number of colour and finish variations of this plate? I have seen a few, but I am wondering how many there actually are.
Is there always an etched finish for each clear colour?
How many were Uranium?
Thanks,
John
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The book (Bowey and Parsons) says all the Bagley colours, in clear and part frosted, except Jetique: green (uranium and non-uranium), blue, pink, amber and clear. I make that 12 possible variants.
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OK, thanks for your prompt reply. I thought there would be more variants. I really like this design and would like to collect at least one of each variant. I have 4 already, so perhaps it's achievable if I keep looking.
My favourite is the clear green Uranium, the colour is so subtle.
Thanks,
John
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Yes I like that one too. I'm downsizing my uranium collection and a lot of the Bagley will go, but that will stay.
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Hi, next question. Do you know if this plate was also "factory" made as a comport on a stand?
Thanks,
John
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I don't know, I've never seen one. I assume you mean a stand stuck on the base rather than screwed on through a drilled hole (some of the designs had a thinner circle in the middle for that purpose).
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The fishscale pattern certainly comes as a footed (i.e. with a screwed on chrome stand) cakestand / compote, as I have two - frosted non-U green and frosted pink.I've not seen it with a stuck on stand though.
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A local bric-a-brac/antique/gift-ware shop has a green example with the drilled hole so the plate can be placed on a stand. (Ive restrained myself from purchasing it as it has a chip) The hole looked factory drilled no damage to the immediate area around the hole.
Meegs
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The 3123 is the square one and would have to be drilled through full thickness glass. Fishscale actually has a place to drill with reinforced edges. I have several pieces of it.
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Hi again. The item I am asking about is a frosted green 3123 with a screwed on chrome stand about 13 centimetres high. I am just wondering if it genuine or a 'DIY' job.
Thanks again,
John
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John,
The example I've seen was also "frosted" green.
The stand was missing.
I wonder if these were done for the export market?
If its still there next time I'm passing, I'll have to buy it so I can post pictures and see what the experts think of the drilling!
Cheers
Meegs
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It's entirely possible that stands were added by the importer/wholesaler, especially as the 3123 wasn't designed to be drilled. I've never seen one with a stand and stands are quite a UK thing.
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John — on a previous incarnation of the GMB, prior to March 2004, we showed that there were at least three slightly different moulds used for the production of pattern 3123. Unfortunately no photographic evidence was obtained.
Bernard C. 8)
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It has been a lovely day for a drive to the coast!
Here are photos of the plate.
Hole is drilled dead centre.
The underside has a small chip where the glass changes thickness. The topside appears to have indented damage where the drilling took place visible when rotating the plate to catch the light, but smooth to touch -feels slightly recessed.
Any marks would be covered by the screw head onto the stand.
Cheers
Meegs
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You can see how it wasn't meant to be drilled. Perhaps it was the Australasian importer, as no one in the UK has commented on seeing a drilled one.
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OK, thank you all for your help. Special kudos to Meegs!
Thanks again,
John
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Perhaps it was the Australasian importer, as no one in the UK has commented on seeing a drilled one.
Quite probably, pity this didn't come with the stand -only the rust stains. If the stand was produced locally that may also be an indication that it was drilled after production for our market. The plate doesn't react to my "black light".
As it is badly bruised on one corner it is now off to be re-invented as a bird feeder in the back yard, either screwed into a lovely long rod stuck into the ground or hanging again via a handle/rod arrangement attached through the hole.
Meegs
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Can take up to 3 squabbling pigeons....
I havent seen the smaller seed eating birds using it yet!
Cheers
Meegs
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:thup: :thup: