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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Trinket Sets => Topic started by: Anne on July 15, 2015, 09:31:06 PM
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After our recent server move the GTS website is now back online. There is still some information to port over from the old server - mainly from the two big German makers, Brockwitz and Walther. The plan is to get those done next. Also the Mysteries are not yet online - as some are mysteries no more, thanks to all the input from you fabulous folks!
I also have a raft of information on new makers of trinket sets to add in - this is going to take time, so I will be doing it a bit at a time, hopefully you will see weekly progress after the site had stalled for a while, mainly due to family issues and workload.
Many of the images that I have been sent by email are now on the site (excepting the aforementioned German and Mysteries sections still to add). Thank you to everyone who has sent them to me, I think they are all credited but if I have missed a credit off an image and you want it on, please give me a nudge.
http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms3 (http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms3)
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You can have any of my pictures in here http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/thumbnails.php?album=50
and http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/thumbnails.php?album=51. If you join, you can "steal" bigger versions
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Christine, thank you, that's very kind of you. I'm sure it will fill in more than a few photo gaps. :-*
I will have a look once I've finished adding the German sections off the old server. I'm pushing to get it all moved over before we switch that off at the end of the month so it has to be a priority. :)
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Mysteries are back online, in a Gallery format to make them easier to see, and to let folks add images of new mysteries too. Click the Mysteries link on any GTS page or go direct to http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery
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I have a few for you Anne that I may not have sent you already like this Walther Ilse pattern
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Also see you have Libochovice 1299-1316 I have the candlesticks and cologne bottles...
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also got Brockwitz 4900 ....
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...the small trinket pots to Brockwitz 4900
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Angela, thank you that's fabulous. I'll add the images onto the site shortly. :)
I haven't seen Brockwitz 4900 in part-frosted before, that's super!
And that tray... we were discussing those sometime ago and wondering what the pattern was. Another Mystery solved, thank you!!!
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Great glad they are of use to you Anne ...got some more for you...Large and small Queens Choice powder bowls....Crystopal Filey set with ash tray and cigarette box....Cloud glass Davidson 326
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Also the ....Hermanova tortoiseshell effect set.....I have seen the Hermanova 11408-18811 in this tortoiseshell effect recently on ebay....also Ernst Buder set with atomiser
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This trinket pot is by Davidson but I can't recall the pattern number
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Fab thank you Angela. :) I can't find the tortoiseshell one in the Hermanova catalogue, do you happen to know which pattern it is please? Same with the Davidson one above - I've not seen that one at all before.
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Just found the turquoise Davidson pot in my Chippendale catalogue pattern 2507 ....
and the tortoiseshell pattern I don't have the pattern number but it has been discussed at length here ;D http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,51881.10.html
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Thanks Angela, I'll follow up on this soon. :)
Meanwhile, I think all the Brockwitz patterns are onto GTS now. Next will be Walther.
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Here is a Walther pot for you Anne not sure if it was part of a set or not 'Erica' 41232..
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Another Walther powder bowl for you Anne....
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Mystery set....it is uranium I am missing the candlesticks...
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More Waltraut pics for you Anne...
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one more frosted blue Waltraut pot...
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Walther Rosen powder bowl...
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Jobling Candlesticks pattern 2608 uranium and amber
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Schweig Mueller candlesticks sorry don't have the pattern but they match one of the centre piece bowls
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sorry sent wrong pic last time...
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Brockwitz uranium candlesticks pattern 8077 from 1936 catalogue....look the same as the ones by Ankerglas.
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They are super, thank you Angela for all your images above. I'cve saved copies and will get them added later tonight all being well.
Re the last one - do you know the height of yours please? The sizes seem to be different between the Ankerglas and the Brockwitz one...
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Hi Anne my candlesticks are 7 inches high hope this helps. :)
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Just remembered I have this odd candlestick in Wien pattern by Stolzle...not odd looking I mean odd in that it is all I have of the set.... inherited from my aunts mother as a keepsake. :) I have this perfume bottle too (the fittings are replacements) but not sure if its the same pattern, it came from the same person.....
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My Walther Nymphen set has arrived so I am sending you some pictures of that too
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Nymphen ring dish...
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Oh that's lovely Angela! And the green Stolzle ones are a new one on me too... thank you for adding the images, I'm saving copies and uploading them onto the GTS site as you add them. :) I also added a batch of Eugenie's ringholders yesterday, plus some more images from the emails that come in, so lots more to see!
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.....more of the Libochovice set..
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Mystery set number 126 is by Ernst Buder pattern 570 on page 28 of the catalogue :)
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Thank you for the lead for IDing 'my' Mystery #126 set, Angela.
As you say, the lidded pot is indeed pattern 570 on page 28, and the candlesticks are pattern 350 on page 22, but I can't find a match for the tray yet - could easily be a mismatch I suppose, especially as all the pieces are in clear glass.
I will add ID notes to the comments section on the Mystery #126 section of Anne's GTS site shortly.
Fred.
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Fred, I think the tray is Buder pattern 265 - the catalogue image isn't as detailed, but the lines and general appearance seem to match. (Page 11 of the Buder catalogue.)
BTW the Buder section is the one I'm doing next! :)
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Thank you, Anne - I think your could well be correct. Please transfer the Mystery #126 pics to the identified Mysteries section and
I will edit my Mystery #126 files on GTS accordingly.
I will send another section of identified photos (including those from Ernst Buder) to your GTS DropBox soon.
Fred.
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Super, thanks Fred, we are getting there, slowly but surely. Thank you for all of your work on the Mysteries gallery and for the use of your images too.
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Anne, identified photos Bernsdorf to Libochovice (with all stations in between, including Ernst Buder) should be accessible via DropBox (a total of 469 files so far).
Fred.
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Thanks Fred, I've added a load of them to GTS now and moved them out of Dropbox as it was getting low on space.
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Anne & Fred just looking at your mystery set 115 and realised I have the candlestick which I have identified as Walther 'Walzen' pattern 42756 in the 1933 catalogue.... the other pieces appear in the 1925 catalogue http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Walther-1925.77+B6YmFja1BJRD03NyZwcm9kdWN0SUQ9MzM1OSZwaWRfcHJvZHVjdD03NyZkZXRhaWw9.0.html but the candlestick alters by 1933 http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Walther-1933.34+B6YmFja1BJRD0zNCZwcm9kdWN0SUQ9MTMxNyZwaWRfcHJvZHVjdD0zNCZkZXRhaWw9.0.html
the only odd piece is the tray ?? The tray looks a bit small could it be this water set tray perhaps....http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Walther-1904.40+B6YmFja1BJRD00MCZwcm9kdWN0SUQ9MTU1MyZwaWRfcHJvZHVjdD00MCZkZXRhaWw9.0.html
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Think I may have an ID for another mystery set #012 http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/displayimage.php?album=15&pid=276#top_display_media found the tray in Schwepnitz catalogue
http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Schwepnitz-1936.131+B6YmFja1BJRD0xMzEmcHJvZHVjdElEPTU2OTcmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTMxJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html what do you think Anne ?
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I think it's the closest match we've seen yet, Angela. :) There are slight variations, the ribs and base ring, which may indicate the catalogue one is a nibble / hors d'oeuvres tray, but I'd definitely be looking for more Schwepnitz catalogues to see if we can match the set up there.
I've done a comparison view using Pamela's catalogue image and a photo of the tray from the GTS website, hopefully Pamela may have some thoughts too.
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I have emailed Pamela ...awaiting reply :)
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Further to our discussion about mystery set #012 looking closer at the Schwepnitz catologues I found the candlestick...see here Anne http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Schwepnitz-1936.131+B6YmFja1BJRD0xMzEmcHJvZHVjdElEPTU2OTEmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTMxJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html I had a repkg from Pamela who agrees it is a probable id the tray was a divided dish but very similar to the trinket set tray...she also pointed out the link between Schwepnitz and Walther which would explain the nice quality of this set.
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Today at last I found the missing ring tree for this Fishscale/Sunburst trinket set ! Some pics for you Anne...
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I know this is one of your Mystery sets Anne...but managed to buy one complete :)
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Angela, this looks like the tray from the GTS mystery set #113 http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=118
with the lidded pots and an atomiser from GTS mystery set #031 http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=34
Seems to be the same colour blue for all the pieces, so perhaps #113 and #031 from the same manufacturer?
Fred.
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Yes it would appear so ...each piece of my blue set including the tray is marked Czechoslovakia...I also saw a pink set exactly like mine, Looking at the ring tree of Mystery set 031 http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=34.....I have that with another set by Hermanova Hut
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This is really interesting. I'll come back and have a proper look later... seem to be running to stand still just now. But thank you! :)
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Haha well done Anne....talking of Schwepnitz I think I have further confirmation that mystery set #012 is by Schwepnitz and called Rippen see catalogue picture of candlestick here http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Schwepnitz-1936.131+B6YmFja1BJRD0xMzEmcHJvZHVjdElEPTU2OTEmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTMxJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html
which looks like one in you pjcs of mystery set 012 http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=15
that along with the similarity of the mystery tray and the Schwepnitz divided tray http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Schwepnitz-1936.131+B6YmFja1BJRD0xMzEmcHJvZHVjdElEPTU2OTcmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTMxJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html
what do you think ????
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I think that's looking very positive, Angela. If we can find the trinket set in a catalogue it would clinch it for certain. :)
To summarise:
There are under Mystery set #012 two different candlesticks. One appears to be Rippen, the other isn't and has a flange below the cup, along with a patterned shaft and a differently shaped base. So, either the pattern was amended for some reason, or there is another pattern name for the flanged version.
The tray is a match for the Asta kabaret tray as we've looked at before but we've not found an Asta tray without the dividers.
We have not found the lidded pots or the ring holder in a catalogue so far.
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Re mystery set 003... just been contacted by a fellow collector in Australia who has just found this set complete with original labels for Tyneside Glassware....Sowerby....mystery solved ☺https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212755819188987&set=pcb.1895262510688681&type=3
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That link is only accessible to friends of the person on Facebook... perhaps ask if you can use the photos with a credit
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Photos curtesy of Leonie Fox...
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And here is the link to Mystery 03 http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=6 to connect the two
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Thanks Christine, that saved me a wee job. :-*
Angela, may I add Leonie's photo to the gallery or should I ask her directly?
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I found a clearer version of the label that Leonie's piece carries, so we can see what it says better. Interestingly it does not say Sowerby, just TYNESYDE GLASSWARE MADE IN ENGLAND, so I wonder if pieces so labelled were made for a certain outlets?
The same label was seen on a Sowerby cucumber dish. The more usual round label with Sowerby's on it may be seen in GlassGallery here: http://www.yobunny.org.uk/glassgallery/displayimage.php?pos=-9999 (http://www.yobunny.org.uk/glassgallery/displayimage.php?pos=-9999)
I have also now found Leonie's label on a full set of Sowerby 2552 butterfly pattern (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vanity-Dressing-Table-Set-/292053446891).... interesting!
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Anne ...I asked Leonie its fine to use her pics ...what a great find !!
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That is super, thanks Angela, and please thank Leonie for me as well.
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This butterfly butter appears to have a similar shaped label too.... https://picclick.co.uk/Sowerby-Butterfly-Pink-Frosted-Glass-Butter-Dish-Art-351944292301.html
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The website is looking great Anne well done!
You have about eight pics of the Mystery Set - Junior Miss style/Toy and an amber hexagonal ring holder in the middle of the Libochovice 1760 page you may want to remove.
http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms3/czechoslovakian/libochovice/1760-or-1670
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Thanks Jayne, now removed. :)
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Good job Anne.
A couple of things on the Mystery GTS site:
Mystery 165 and 118 are the same set.
Mystery 161 has a mismatched tray and all other pieces belong to Mystery 7.
Mystery 7 appears to have 1 mismatched green pot.
:)
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Sorted I think, Jayne. It's not just me that uploads them and I know we tend to lose track of which patterns we already have uploaded to a mystery album. I end up bug-eyed trying to check them out, so having a second pair of eyes looking at them is immensely helpful, thank you. :)
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Nice work Anne, and you're welcome:)
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I love the new Back and Forward buttons, a great improvement. Thanks.
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Thank you, I'm trying to get them to work properly, currently some of them are showing incorrectly, so please bear with me whilst I sort them out. :)
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I noted a few that were not connecting to where they should be. I'll leave it a few days and let you know if they're still jumping about. :)
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Thank you, that'd be really useful. :)
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Haven't got very far yet, but happily haven't found many that aren't going where they should either.
I've only clicked the "Forward To" button and have used ">" below.
Inwald
Pompeii > Crane: Button says SPIRALWALZEN.
Set 9439 > 11414: Button says and returns to Inwald.
Set 12032 > 8820 Crane.
Reich
Victoria: No > button. Only < B2571.
Set 8998 > 9020: 9020 not on the side-bar. Forward To button goes to the top part of 8998 and from there > 9023.
Hope this helps, will do more later and let you know what I find.
Dave.
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Thanks Dave, the issue is with the sorting in the back end. I need to find where to set the order for each category, which means hunting through pages of settings. The script we use has multiple ways of doing the same thing, which makes life interesting. It's hugely powerful though but occasionally throws up this type of issue. That was why I'd not used the back/next buttons before but I decided it was time to get to grips with them. :)
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Have just been flicking through the site and none of the Czech/Royal catalogue images are loading :'(
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Hi Lindsey, that's an Oops! The path to the catalogue images had been changed accidentally, now sorted. Thanks for the heads up. :)
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No problem! :)
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A few more where the Forward To button goes astray!
Roscice.
Set. 2598. No > 4509. Only < 2036.
Century.
Set. 484 Margaret. > 619 variant. Not set 619.
Crystalor.
Set. 1 < Ravenhead. > Sowerby.
Davidson.
Chippendale Set 1. No> only <Jacobean.
Chippendale Set 3. No > Candlesticks: < Pots > Trays & Pintrays.
Chippendale Pots. > Chippendale Set 3.
Jacobean. > Set 1.
8283. > Chippendale (goes to Chippendale Candlesticks.)
Joblin.
Set 2626. > Weardale. Missing out 2500 on the side-bar.
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Thanks Dave, I think I've tweaked all those now. Your help is very much appreciated. :)
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The Royal images are displaying but so are the boxes with the ? in. I don't know if it's because I'm using a Mac. ???
I attached a (blurred) screenshot so you can see the layout. My brain is feeling too tired to think how to describe the layout atm!
best wishes,
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Thanks Lyndsey, on mine it was an empty space that the image moved left to fill so I'd missed the problem. Now all fixed. :)
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Excellent - the Royal photos are displaying properly for me too. ;D
But... ::) I spotted another thing.
On the Brockwitz tabs, the side menu lists the numbers in numerical sequence, but the back and forward tabs are sorting by alphanumeric string.
So, as an example, the tabs go in the order 3100, 3200, 32000, 3329...
It does make the site much more user friendly though. :)
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From Sowerby to Brockwitz (as far as I've got) the buttons have moved to the top of the pages. Up to and including Joblin they were at the bottom.
Bernsdorf
Renate: No > 2121/B.
2121/B: > Gabriele.
I also found the same numeric listing in Brockwitz as mentioned by LinzH above.
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Sorry to add to your woes Anne, but I spotted another couple of necessary tweaks this morning (what can I say, I use your site a *lot* ;D)
Walther>Globus
Warning
Folder: :files: path is not a folder.
Path:
/data01/gtsweb/public_html/cms3/images/walthe
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I'm afraid the size of the display box cut off the end of the text, so I couldn't get the full path name.
Also had the same message on Walther>Kopenhagen
And Walther>Münster isn't displaying the image at the top, just the ? in a box.
Best wishes,
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The back and next buttons being moved was deliberate, Dave, and should be at the top of every page now. The Brockwitz numbering had been fixed, I am still working through the rest as I get time. Thanks to you both for keeping flagging up the miss-links, it helps enormously.
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Lindsey, thanks, I will look at that when I get home tonight. 8)
Edited to update: the Walther Globus, Kopenhagen and Münster images all sorted, thanks again. :)
PS I am so glad that you use the site such a lot, and am really thrilled others do too. :-*
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From Sowerby to Brockwitz (as far as I've got) the buttons have moved to the top of the pages. Up to and including Joblin they were at the bottom.
Bernsdorf
Renate: No > 2121/B.
2121/B: > Gabriele.
I also found the same numeric listing in Brockwitz as mentioned by LinzH above.
Bernsdorf sorted, thanks Dave. 8)
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;D
Rudolfova > 11771-3 & 11914-5 - The image is not loading, just the [?]
Also on the next page, 12811-12812, I'm not sure if there is meant to be an image or not (it's blank) but usually you state "catalogue image not available", or similar.
bws,
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Thanks Lindsey, fixed the image for the first one (folder path was wrong). Removed the 12811-12 page as it duplicated what is already on the 12731-12736 12811-12812 page. :)
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Spotted a couple of bloopers in the Inwald category. ;)
on the "9439, 9440" page, the back button points to "8820 "Crane"" & the next button points to "Inwald"
on the "12032" page, the back button points to "11771" & the next button to "8820"
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Thanks Lindsey, I'll look at those over the next couple of days. :)
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Sorted; the oddity in numbering is because the site sorts the back and next by strict first number order followed by alpha order. So as it's a dumb system 11000 comes before 8000! So I have to reorganise the menu listing to match the back - next sort order.
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I'm not sure if this trick will work on the software you are using for your site, but I had similar issues on a system I used to work on when I was in IT many moons ago.
The work around was to have two variables, one which was used for the sort and the other for the display. So in the case of pattern 8000, it would be held as 08000 for the sort and 8000 for the display. That way 08000 would be sorted before 11000, but 8000 would be displayed on the screen.
It's to do with the alphanumeric values of the individual characters in the string. It always looks at the left most character first, then the next and the next.
I'm not even sure if that makes sense reading it back, I mean it does to me, but not sure if it will to anybody else! ???
But Inwald is all looking good, with forward/back displaying in the same order as menu :)
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Yep, I know exactly what you mean Lindsey, but it would mean a change to the site script and it's running on Joomla. If I'd created it from scratch I'd have done as you suggested. So long as it works as is I'm happy. :)
I've added a bit more info to Century Glass page and added in a Stoelzl page as well. Still loads more to come in between other stuff!
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New section added under Germany for Wittwer https://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms3/german/wittwer :)
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oooh - new things - off to have a look! ;D
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Just noticed an errant 9020 on the main side menu after "Swedish". Clicking on it takes you to a Reich pattern.
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Sorted, thanks Lindsey, it was a duplicated entry and exists under Reich as well.
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Not for the first time I've seen this "set" being advertised on ebay.uk. -- item number 193241626274.
It seems people are taking the photos on the Buder 510 set a bit too literally!
Perhaps a footnote might help?
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I can't see anything on the listing claiming the set as Buder 510?
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Sorry, I didn't mean that they were saying it is the 510 set by Buder.
But that they are putting the same items as shown in some of the photos together and saying that they are a set.
I'm assuming they were the only available pictures of known examples of Buder at the time they were up-loaded but they are a mixture of pieces from several different sets.
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Searching (with al lot of pleasure) in all the files of GTS a saw a photo of Walther set - model Münster at "Walter- model Erika". A mistake I guess...... ;)
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Oops! Thanks Eugénie, it's a photo that's gone walkabout. It's been sent back to where it belongs. :)
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Hi all, I just wanted to flag up that, thanks to Mike Tomlin allowing access to his fabulous Sowerby catalogues on the Victorian Pressed Glass (http://www.victorianpressedglass.com/sowerby_archive.htm) website, I have been able to add several new patterns to this section, and to positively identify pattern numbers and names for the sets listed as Tynesyde #2, #3 and #4. Also many of the catalogue images have been updated to larger clearer versions. Now the hunt is on to find photos to show each set on the relevant page - can you help?
The new and updated patterns are:
1107, a set from 1892,
2439 "Norwich" - similar to "Minor",
2478 "Maid" pattern confirmed (formerly mystery #099),
2487 - set with pin-tray and set with ring-holder,
2501 - earlier set with flared candlesticks, later set with smaller upright candlesticks,
2522 Diamond - "County" with the 2522 candlesticks (formerly mystery #053)
2590 (formerly thought to be a variant of 2636),
2612 - (formerly mystery #003),
2636 - (formerly mystery #015),
2630 has variant candlesticks confirmed,
2636 - (formerly mystery #015),
2707 - (formerly mystery #175),
Berkley - not one I've seen before,
Beverley - an unusual set with the 2501 tray and the standalone candlestick (formerly mystery #049),
Bute, similar pattern to Beverley but with the Tynesyde tray,
Cadet - confirmation of the 2510 tray with this set and the large pot with finial,
Countess (7 piece) and Regal (5 piece) - with the Tynesyde variant tray,
Manchester - similar to taller candlesticks, shorter candlestick set also available as Manchester which matches 2487,
Toby (7 piece) and Plaza (5 piece) - with the 2501 tray and Bute pots and candlesticks,
Tynesyde - a narrower oval tray as used in Countess and Regal sets,
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Hi all, I just wanted to flag up that, thanks to Mike Tomlin allowing access to his fabulous Sowerby catalogues on the Victorian Pressed Glass (http://www.victorianpressedglass.com/sowerby_archive.htm) website, I have been able to add several new patterns to this section, and to positively identify pattern numbers and names for the sets listed as Tynesyde #2, #3 and #4. Also many of the catalogue images have been updated to larger clearer versions. Now the hunt is on to find photos to show each set on the relevant page - can you help?
These catalogues are a treasure trove, I'd like to add my thanks to Mike Tomlin for making them available! Also thanks to you Anne, I can see you've done loads of hard work both on here and GTS.
Now for me to have a good study of all the info and fab images, and see if I can add anything useful. :)