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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Germany => Topic started by: catshome on October 06, 2019, 04:22:07 PM
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Have to admit, I'm a little bit excited about this one. It looks like a paperweight and a vase got together and had a baby! I haven't seen anything like it - the effect is like the seabed with seaweed growing up into the clearer, lighter, water above. The middle section "glows", yet no UV reaction, and no apparent sunset effect or red flashes in sunlight. The closest description I could give is that it's like jade. There are pockets of completely clear glass in the bottom section - one captured in a picture below - and I think these clear areas let light into the bottom and create the illuminated effect.
4" high x 3.75" rim diameter, 410g - it feels quite hefty in the hand. Base is flat, satin finished, with slight bevel to the edge.
My gut says it feels like Mdina, but I haven't found anything with this seaweed effect, shape, or colour. Have also looked at Gozo, Mtarfa, Phoenician, and MDG - if its out there, I've missed it.
Lots of pictures as I am experimenting with camera settings and wanted to see what worked best for the board.
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more pics
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last ones
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wmf?
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Definitely, Mike. :) WMF. Ikora.
A little bit earlier than Mdina. And very, very nice indeedy. ;D
It's a bit better than you thought, Cat. Definitely worth getting a bit excited about. 8)
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Sue I have to admit when I posted this, I was really hoping you would like it. Off to find out more about WMF ikora. Thank you both.
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This is one of the lovliest Ikora colourways and it can sometimes be mistaken for a seriously top bit of Mdina.
It tends to be rather more expensive than Mdina. It's not very common either. :)
I've done a search and come up with a really good example illustrated on worthpoint.
It says there the designer was Karl Weidmann. I'm inclined to believe it. It does look like his work.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/bauhaus-karl-wiedmann-wmf-ikora-519105590
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I found a red one in the same shape, but I don't know if "red moss agate" was the description given by WMF, or the seller, so not clear if this would be a "green moss agate" piece.
https://fineart.ha.com/itm/art-glass/steuben/wmf-ikora-red-moss-agate-glass-vasecirca-1930-ht-3-7-8-in/a/5356-79072.s
I have been looking at Karl Wiedmann pieces, and there are some distinct similarities - the bold green "brush strokes" against the darker background, for example.
A bit stunned by the date though......as there is virtually no wear to the base and just a few light scratches. It doesn't appear to be a very common piece, which is quite nice for a change 😹
Can't wait to open another box!
Thanks again, Sue.
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The bits described as "moss agate" are a little bit different to the more general Ikora designs - and they contain sliver salts - that's what gives you those lovely bubbles with the yellow outside.
But I don't know if moss agate was a term used by WMF. It has been used by other glassmakers.
If something has been looked after or simply forgotten about and hasn't been moved around much, it won't accumulate age-related wear. :)
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I'll have a look through the book later and give you the colour and code :) Unless someone else has time beforehand.
It's a lovely colourway - love the vase. I have a few but none in this green (my favourite of those I own is a purple and yellow).
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I haven't got any books on this, so that would be much appreciated m. :)
But here are some glorious bits of Karl Wiedmann's work for Gralglas.
(I was looking for my ashtray, but couldn't find it)
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,38212.msg210513.html#msg210513
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Catshome I can find three examples in the book all with different numbers but they seem to all relate to this shape - they are all 9cm high in this shape.
Is yours actually 4" or is it 9cm ? Just checking, just because :)
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So I think it is number E302/4006 grun where it is coded under example on page 117 on the 1930/1931 page.
As far as I can understand the guide, this was produced in 1930/31 in Ikora/Myra, then again in 1936 and 1939 in Ikora only, then in 1949 with a three digit code 113 in both Myra and Ikora and again in 1951 with a four digit code 8113 in both Myra and Ikora.
So, those 113 and 8113 are on the same code line as E302. I don't know whether the green was produced in the 1949 and 1951 productions but it does seem to definitely come under 1930/1931 and 1936 and 1939 where Ikora was produced in this shape.
Open to correction if anyone else has the book and can double check my understanding of the coding.
And thank you because having checked the book I've realised my beloved purple and yellow vase appears in the coloured reps catalogues of 1928! I'd not remembered it was so early - and it wasn't produced after 1931 :)
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Thank you, m. Does it confirm Karl Wiedmann as the designer? is there an image of this piece? I've looked everywhere I can think of and found just the red one so far
Height is 95-98mm ...... The rim is not completely level. The red one has a height given as 3 7/8", which is the same as mine..... On one side anyway!
Thanks again,
Cat
ADDED: found one, although it lacks the contrasts in colour that I like about mine, it's nice to see an image of another one
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WMF-Ikora-Glass-Vase-Art-Deco-Glass-Vase-Green-with-einschmelzungen-10-cm-/312672569010?hash=item48ccbcc6b2%3Ag%3AcjcAAOSwafZdEOFr&nma=true&si=Scn2wZr2CflnJT9mjg%252F48fpq0mo%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Cat I'm away now for a couple of days but will look at the book again to see what it says about KW and post once I'm back. There seems to be some open-ended info on the net.
m
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I suspect this is a "common" ;D sort of posy shape, not the most popular.
It's the colourway of this and the red one I'm not so sure about. The ones we're describing as moss agate - which is not the same as the design with the spokes.
Roy had a stonking piece in the same pattern as Cat's, some years ago - and I fell in love and couldn't afford it. I haven't been able to find it here though. I'm not very good at searches. :-[
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;D ;D ;D
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,67813.msg377634.html#msg377634
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,30527.0.html
(I searched for "Mdina" in Germany. That cut the search down a little bit!)
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Lol..... Just came back to post the link to Roy's piece for you Sue, and you beat me again!!!! But I hadn't seen the other one, thank you. They are both lovely pieces, but Roy's has a real wow factor.
Not sure quite how you are defining "common", given that I've only found one red and one other green in this shape, but seen loads of plates/bowls. Not being precious about it, just curious 😺
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I suspect I may have drifted off into Ysart territory there rather than WMF. This is a common shape for Vasart and Strathearn, and not the most desirable. I'm afraid I automatically tend to dismiss that shape, no matter where it comes from. My bad.
Sorry!
I ought to learn more about WMF. I've got a huge charger I had for years believed to be Mdina, but it's WMF from 1938. In the catalogue. Rocco put me right. :)
I'm still shocked. :-[ ::)
eta, found a pic of it.