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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Belgium and the Netherlands Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on April 21, 2009, 07:21:53 PM
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I had waited for someone to comment on Anne's recent posting, but maybe not a subject that has a following here - anyway, here are a couple more pieces, both carring the wording in a similar style (placed on the outer part of the floor of the inside).
size of the amber piece is 22 cms. rim to rim.......10 cms. high........residue of 'mastic' on foot rim might indicate that at some time in its past it was joined to a plinth.
A sort of Roman or Greek looking style.
The flint piece looks as tho it shud be older - 13.5 cms high................12.5 cms at the widest - certainly the mark is a lot sharper.......the foot is hollow.
Appears to have four mould seams. Not sure what it might have been in its day............a sugar perhaps or very short pieces of celery :)
Neither piece carries any other marking whatsoever.
Maybe this time someone may comment, and thanks for looking. Paul S.
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hi Paul,
the bowl can be found on both of Pamela´s great sites:
Noémie picture (http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/02638.html)
Noémie Luxval catalogue (http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/LUXVAL-1935.117+B6YmFja1BJRD0xMTcmcHJvZHVjdElEPTUyMjMmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTE3JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html)
here´s an ebay auction of a Noémie bowl with an applied metal top rim:
auction (http://cgi.ebay.de/Schale-Glas-Art-Deko-Val-St-Lambert-Belgien_W0QQitemZ330322255122QQihZ014QQcategoryZ2205QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
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Here's Anne EB's post http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,25922.msg143321.html#msg143321
I know almost nothing about VSL, but I do have two "identical" little VSL plates, except one is marked and has a ground base, and the other is unmarked and has a rounded as moulded base. I take this to mean that the unmarked one is newer production, i.e., post-automation, although the design pays more than a passing nod to end of 19th C designs.
Neither Anne's or your sugar bowl look to be particularly 1930s designs, but I really don't know
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sincere thanks Dirk for the in depth info. on the centre piece bowl. The assigned date of 1935 fits in with the style and shape. do you think this particular piece was always produced with a metal rim?? I very much like the colour of the piece in your first attachment - almost the colour of pink Champagne!
As to the 'sugar', my thoughts were that the mini hob-nail style of outer finish, made me think of something late C19 - although my piece also has a rounded foot edge (not ground like so many pieces that you wud not hesitate to say were older). However, since I don't know when VSL started production (or anything else come to that), it wud be rash to comment positively. Glass manufacturers are no exception when it comes to reproducing designs from earlier periods. Paul S.
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Dome footed items are often seem to be the exception to the ground rim theory ::) American pieces rarely seem to have them at all. I was really only showing you my pieces - same items but obviously different manufacturing periods
Metal rims were not often applied by the glass manufacturer, so probably not. It would have depended on the wholesaler or the retailer's preference. Some items were made in variants specially for the finishers to apply rims; others just had rims applied to the standard form, as this case i think.
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Dirk: thanks for attracting to my pages - very much appreciated :kissy:
Paul: your sugar appears in VSL 1913th catalogue, planche (page) 15 - service HAMBOURG ( :mrgreen: !) shape # 26
Christine: your plate appears in VSL 1913th catalogue, planche 16 - service LUCRÈCE , I would say. The base of yours is much more decorated, but the catalogue does not show the exact design of the smaller plates - nice one, which is missing here :'(
VSL 1913 and further are reprints - thus do not dare to upload them on glas-musterbuch.de
You find them regularly on eBay - cost a fortune ::)
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Thank you very much Pamela. :kissy: They could catch a plane to Hamburg if you like, only bought them because they were marked and obviously made at different times
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Christine, YES of course, thank you! Should not be an zero/zero ticket with ryanair, but just regular. Mail me the details please.
Zero/Zero ticket made out today for Hamburg/Luebeck to Pisa/Florence: out monday 18th May, in monday 25th - tax and duty arise to 40 EUR - how much do they earn? :rn: :-X
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Christine - Dirk and especially Pamela - my thanks to you all for your research and help. I had originally felt a twinge of pity for Anne that she had posted re VSL and not received any replies. It is easy to overlook also the help from continental friends who make the effort to speak English, much appreciated, you are indeed a cunning lot of linguists. Makes me feel that I am not putting enough back in the way of help to other people. Anyway we have a good result, and I will also comment that I like the quality of the two pieces of VSL that I have, and I suppose that I feel a little vindicated in thinking originally that the Sugar did look older than the 30s. However, I am not too sure of the gist of the comment about downloading the earlier VSL catalogues?? sorry to be thick. Many thanks Paul S.
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Pamela means that she has had to buy digital copies of the VSl catalogues and therefore cannot upload them for free use to her friend's catalogue site. The catalogues there are ones they have personally scanned from originals
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question is about the copyright of a reprint - if there is none, I shall happily scan and upload ;D
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sorry, forgot to point out that my VSL copies are not digital but printed in France, I believe. Of course they live in my museum and so, unfortunately, cannot name the company/editor from home. return to you tomorrow with this.
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I'm happy to donate them, so please send me your address again because I've lost it :)
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Christine, thank you so much, again anotherone going to a good home :kissy:
please ship to office address as seen here: wessendorf.com
pamela w.
ewa
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now isn'th that the perfect ending to a thread ......and all because I felt sorry that Anne dinn't get any replies to her original post. almost restores your faith in human kindness. Now, how much will you give me for the sugar Pamela ;) Paul S.
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Done ;)
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THANK YOU Christine! two VSL (one marked) LUCRÈCE arrived in best condition - as you said: wish, you were here!
I owe you a lot, at least postage of nearly gbp 5 - drop in any time you wish to! If you feel comfortable next to nothing, need no hotel :rn:
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One of these days Pamela, it's on my to-do list :kissy:
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Hi All,
Paul: your sugar appears in VSL 1913th catalogue, planche (page) 15 - service HAMBOURG ( :mrgreen: !) shape # 26
Davidson made glass in this same pattern. Examples appear in their catalogue or around 1910. The difference between Davidson and VSL is the slight difference in the size of the pattern. If memory serves I think the VSL pattern is a fraction larger.
Regards
Chris
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Christine: VSL Lucrèce : I thaught, I knew, I have it - here it is: smaller (12,5 cms approx) and green, but unfortunately not Uranium glass:
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/05681.html
If you should like one of these in return, I shall be happy to post it to you
SO HAPPY with your white ones now - thanks a lot again! :kissy:
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VSL catalogues: copies bear a copyright of 1998
Éditions Collections Livres
26, rue du Collège
1050 Bruxelles, Belgique
I'm still uncertain whether I may upload a copy of a copy of a copy ::)
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If in doubt err on the side of caution Pamela. :)
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Thank you but, no thank you Pamela :fwr: