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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: Jay on April 11, 2008, 09:41:59 AM

Title: Etchmark help:
Post by: Jay on April 11, 2008, 09:41:59 AM

Can anybody tip me off about this etchmark on a (quite undistinguished) round cut-crystal bowl?

Title: Re: Etchmark help:
Post by: Frank on April 11, 2008, 11:26:35 AM

I can see nothing in Hartmann close to this, it looks more sandblasted than etched. so latter half 20th C is probable.

Someone might recognise the bowl if not the mark.

Title: Re: Etchmark help:
Post by: Sue C on April 11, 2008, 01:34:51 PM

I think it is an incompleted Dartington mark.

Title: Re: Etchmark help:
Post by: Anne on April 11, 2008, 02:40:51 PM

Complete Dartington mark here for comparison:    http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-29

Title: Re: Etchmark help:
Post by: Jay on April 11, 2008, 02:44:07 PM

I'd actually discounted this possibility because all the recorded marks seem to have a break in the outline, whereas there is clearly no break in the etch mark.

Is there a more recent mark with a continuous outline? (then it would seem more possible)

Title: Re: Etchmark help:
Post by: Ivo on April 11, 2008, 03:58:50 PM

I'd say it is a Riedel mark with issues.

Title: Re: Etchmark help:
Post by: Jay on April 11, 2008, 06:13:30 PM

Ok so I've spent an hour looking...

The only mark for Riedel I can find is in your book Ivo, and it bears no resemblance to this in any way.

Please explain!

Title: Re: Etchmark help:
Post by: Frank on April 11, 2008, 08:03:44 PM

Hartmann has several marks but nothing like this, but then it is to modern for that. I had wondered due to the similarity with CG's seconds mark if it was a G with a seconds mark. Riedel used sandblasting since 1960 but would they sell seconds and a G rather then CJR? I thought they only do stems now.

Title: Re: Etchmark help:
Post by: Ivo on April 11, 2008, 08:29:25 PM

Riedel varies from year to year; on principle it is CR or JR with 1, 2, 3 0r 4 strokes around it, the location indicates the year.

Title: Re: Etchmark help:
Post by: Anne on April 12, 2008, 05:37:49 AM

Ahhhh Ivo, a light bulb just came on... is this a Riedel mark?    http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2914

Title: Re: Etchmark help:
Post by: Ivo on April 12, 2008, 06:50:11 AM

yes it is 100%.

Title: Re: Etchmark help:
Post by: Jay on April 12, 2008, 08:18:49 AM

However I can't see how it could be related to my picture!

I can't see any of these letters nor any part of this mark as a possibility, but perhaps I'm just not seeing the correct 'overlay'?! (reflection/rotation, etc).

Here's a pic of the complete object!

Title: Re: Etchmark help:
Post by: Anne on April 12, 2008, 01:57:39 PM

Ivo thank you! That's another one nailed. :)

Jay, sorry for hijacking your topic, but it helps to rule out Riedel as well as Dartington. We might find yours by a process of elimination! ;D