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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Trinket Sets => Topic started by: Gilead on April 15, 2008, 05:39:03 PM
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Hi
Well i succumbed and bought the Uranium set which i mentioned yesterday that i had seen.
So if Pamela or any other kind person can Id this for me that would be great, the set seems to have a flower theme to it, cheers
Steve
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Nice set! Pretty cool design on that tray!
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Ohhhh that's nice Steve. I have a couple of pieces in this pattern but haven't yet managed to ID a maker, although someone else may know.
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Nice one and it's complete :clap: I've had these too, no idea though
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Hi Christine
When you say had doe's that mean you no longer have this set, and if you have or had them got any idea of the circa please, is it the 50s ?
Steve
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It's almost certainly 1930s but I don't know who. I've always thought probably Czech. I think I sold all my pieces
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Perhaps it's another one Marcus will turn up in his research. 8)
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Sorry LGF,
I cannot help at the mo, hole in the research materials, could take another three years..... ;D ;D
Regards,
Marcus
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I can wait Marcus. ;D I have the pot from this set in clear and in a yellowy-green colour but that's all so far. I've seen them in pink and blue as well but never with a believable attribution. ::)
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Hi at all!
Unknown to me also, and I haven't got a single item of this pattern... I think... :'(
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Some of the sets are part frosted as well - very Sowerby like really in colour and design but...no evidence
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Yeah I know what you mean Christine. I went through the Sowerby catalogue CD last night and it's not there. It's not in the Bagley book either, nor does it appear in Chris Stewart's Davidson listing, so that's another three makers down. We might get there by a process of elimination! ;D
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http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/kerzenhalter/02381.html
This one always comes to my mind - it is unidentified also - but similar design ? ::)
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http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/deckeldosen/02382.html
there is/was also this covered small dish some green (not uranium) some pink
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Steve, can you go over the whole set and see if there's any registration number moulded in anywhere? Use your fingers and feel for it rather than look to start with as they are sometimes very hard to see but can usually be felt. If we can find one piece with an RD no we may be able to track down who made them.
BTW I've seen a different set on the same tray (two examples in different colours in fact), also unattributed and not seen in any of the catalogues I've looked at so far. Using the same tray for more than one set isn't unknown - if it was just one other set seen then it could be two part sets joined but I can't believe both the other sets I've seen were marriages. The tray fits better with your set set though!
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Pamela's candlestick and lidded bowl are from the same set (as each other). I saw a part set in blue yesterday.
I do still have one piece: a small lidded bowl. Interestingly, it has a ground base that is fire polished. Ground is good and common but fire polished is uncommon. No marks on mine
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Good Morning
Anne & Christine, i will have a feel sometime to day and run my hands over all the parts slowly, ;)in the hope they give up something ;D, i will have to unpack them first, but thats no problem as they are in a box of there own easy to find. If not i will take a look with the magnifer and hope to see a reg number, thank you both for your help and have a nice day.
Steve
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hi, got a pair of these for £1.50 yesterday, been through the trinket set website and came across some pieces in the mystery section no 15 are these part of that set? sorry about the pics Lee's got me a new camera I'm better with my phone! and used a pen torch going to have to invest in something bigger, thanks kaz
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Yes. I had some of these once
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Yes, same set Kaz. I don't have any of the candlesticks as yet, which is why there's no pic of them yet. Once you get to grips with your new camera could you do me a couple of shots for the site please? (Full credit given of course.) :)
The maker of this is still unknown, but am still searching!
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hi,i found this today,thought Anne would like to see it,apparantly lee spotted it this morning and left it doesnt want trinket sets anymore wish he would tell me these things!wants to make room for other glass he's decided to collect,kaz
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Oooohhh how about that Kaz, thanks for sharing the pics. ;D I have pots, ringholder and tray, but have still not managed to find candlesticks. :mrgreen: May I use the pics for the GTS website please?
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cause you can anne
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Thanks Kaz. :-*
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Anne’s Mystery Trinket Set 15
http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms15/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=165:mystery-set-15&catid=28:mysteries&Itemid=52
is usually seen with a distinctive floral tray, candleticks with a large floral boss to the stem, a similar large floral boss as trinket pot lid finial, and smaller floral decoration to the pot body (as in photo 1).
Now I have come across two separate sets in clear amber glass, both with the characteristic 8-sided Mystery Set 15 tray, but both with variant pots. Both sets have trinket pots with a tri-lobed lanceolate finial instead of the large floral boss, The pot bodies still have floral decoration, but the flower heads are now smaller and more discrete.
One amber set also has a ringholder that appears to be the same as that with Anne’s ‘original’ Mystery Set 15.
The other amber set also comes with a set of branched ‘double-holder’ candlesticks which may, of course, not necessarily have been standard to the set (though the colour match is good).
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Another Mystery Set 15 tray in green uranium, this time also with the variant branched candlesticks (also in green uranium). So it looks as if the branched candlesticks were indeed sometimes standard with this set.
Plus picture of the amber branched variant candlesticks in more detail.
(Permission for re-use of these image on the GMB granted by waynesparticus07 and alittlebitold)
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I suspect these were either all made by one glassworks and mixed and matched depending on what the buyer wanted, or they were made by several glassworks and mixed and matched by one wholesaler depending on what the retailers wanted. Until we can find any of them in a catalogue somewhere we're a bit stuck with them. They are a fairly commonly seen pattern, at least in the UK.
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Hi All !
Picked this set up today , tray ring holder and trinket dish, tested and is uranium glass, tray is approx 30cm x 18cm. Anyone know the maker or pattern please ?
Heres the photo link : http://www.andrew-davies.com/unknow%20trinket%20dish.jpg
thank you !
Andrew
http://www.luv2collect.com
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Still unknown I'm afraid
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Another coincidence, known as unknown set 15 for now (I think). I picked up a set 4 days ago and haven't got round to posting yet. I have the tray, large and small lidded pots, 2 candles and Ring Holder. I think I am missing 1 small lidded pot. I have searched and found nothing else.
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http://www.icollector.com/Green-Depression-Glass-Sowerby-Vanity-Tray-1236205_i6360051
Been marked down as Sowerby on here , I have noticed a few in the uk on ebay so a possibility ?
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There is a vague possibility in that the colour is Ok, so it might have been a commission, but is NOT documented anywhere as Sowerby and unless anyone finds the order books...
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Anybody shed any light on this one , not on glass trinket sets site as far as i can see.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160986773453&ssPageName=STRK:MESCX:IT
thank you
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It's a variant lidded pot for Anne's GTS mystery set 15, already discussed on GMB at
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,48434.msg276973.html#msg276973
Just for ease of reference, here are some more photos of amber and green uranium sets with this variant pot (and variant candlesticks for good measure) to compare with a pink set similar to that seen on the GTS site at
http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms15/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=165:mystery-set-15&catid=28:mysteries&Itemid=52
I notice that when this pattern, in all its variants, is listed on eBay it is increasingly attributed to Bagley despite there being no evidence for the attribution as far as I am aware.
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I notice that when this pattern, in all its variants, is listed on eBay it is increasingly attributed to Bagley despite there being no evidence for the attribution as far as I am aware.
Particularly as that green is just the wrong shade
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Any ideas please on maker of this trinket set. Nice floral motifs on all pieces and tray.
Thanks for any suggestions John
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Curiously I was just about to post a query about my trinket set and realised we had the same tray but different pots etc I have no idea about the ID of mine either. My pots have the same flower pattern on the trinket pots but I am not sure about the candlesticks the colour is right but the pattern is missing. Any ideas welcome. ;D
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One of the many unknowns I'm afraid
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This set is Anne’s “Mystery Set 15”. See:
http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms15/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=165:mystery-set-15&catid=28:mysteries&Itemid=52
As you have seen, the set seems to come in at least two different variant types, all with the same pattern tray.
Angela, your branched candlesticks are, indeed, ‘correct’ for your variant set type, and I have several reference photos of similar sets as verification (currently in amber and green uranium glass, but this is the first time that I have seen your variant set type in blue glass).
I have reference photos for John’s variant set type in clear, pink, pale blue, amber, and green uranium glass.
A full set in both these variants comprises tray, pair of candlesticks, large lidded pot, pair of small lidded pots, and a ringholder.
I attach a photo of a set (possible a third variant type) in green uranium glass that has the ‘universal’ tray, lidded pots like Angela’s (with the 3-lobed ‘ spear’ or ‘leaf’ finial on the lids), but completely different ‘hybrid’ candlesticks. These candlesticks are simple stick designs with a single candleholder cup (as with John’s set), a swirled base design with added floral decoration (resembling Angela’s pot lids), but the stem has three equally-spaced, semicircular vertical ‘wings’ / ribs / lobes.
Incidentally, all the variant pattern types seem to have a ‘universal’ ringholder design.
I presume that the green uranium colourways date the pattern/patterns to pre-WW2, but I have still to come across any definitive attribution.
Fred.
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Well, well, well fancy that !! Thanks Fred for clearing that up, I am very pleased that my set is complete. I am not surprised they ditched the 'leaf' finial pots as they are very tall and easily damaged. I like the uranium candlestick version they seem much more of a match to the set than mine. :)
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There is something perversely satisfying in getting an "unidentified" reply as it means that I haven't missed something obvious.
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Thread for merging Mods.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,57627.0.html
It seems this set has 2 variant types of pots and 3 variant types of candlesticks. The Tray and ring holder always remain the same.
Edit:
Another 2 threads here for merging Mods.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,51530.0.html
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,51788.0.html
Mod: Links dead as topics merged into this one
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All merged into this one, thanks Jayne. You're working hard at the mo! :)
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Brilliant, thanks Anne, yes I have the trinket set bug again lately! :D
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It seems this set has 2 variant types of pots and 3 variant types of candlesticks. The Tray and ring holder always remain the same.
So, with great thanks to Mike Tomlins amazing website, http://www.victorianpressedglass.com/sowerby_archive.htm
The Sowerby 2590 pattern which appears in 1938 catalogue page 11 has been identified, tall pointy pot finials and lobed candlesticks;
https://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms3/english/sowerby/2590
http://www.victorianpressedglass.com/pdf/sowerby/sowerby_1938.pdf
and the Sowerby 2636 pattern which appears in the 1940 catalogue page 11 with floral pot finials and floral candlesticks is also identified;
https://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms3/english/sowerby/tynesyde-4
http://www.victorianpressedglass.com/pdf/sowerby/sowerby_1940.pdf
But, we still have the sets with the branched candlesticks that appear with the tall pointy pot finials to track down. The branched candlesticks have always seemed to be more abundant than the lobed type in my opinion. The branched version are also quite substantial and tough like the lobed, so perhaps it was for customer candle economy they swapped to lobed or just added branched later for more customer options.
I can certainly see why they changed the pointy finials, they are pretty fragile as someone mentioned earlier in the topic, but at that point everything except the tray and ring stand were changed.
I wonder should you make another Tynesyde pattern number Anne, so that you can add the plentiful photos with branched candlesticks that Fred has added here?
Also a note that 2636 is showing as 1953 not 1940 on GTS.
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Two more threads for merging below;
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,68525.0.html
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,69190.0.html