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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Mosquito on November 02, 2010, 12:46:25 PM
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I recently bought this unusual vase, it looks and feels very much like Monart, but I can't find the shape in the catalogue pages on Frank's site.
It appears to be colour code 68. The main body of the vase is coloured with splashes of orange and yellow with a few stray redder blobs. The rim shades into a dark reddish brown. The vase stands about 5 1/2 inches (14 cm) high. The pontil mark has been completely ground out & polished and there's a polished ring round the base. The thickness and feel of the glass all point to Monart, but I've not seen this shape before & the pontil finish seems a little unusual.
Thanks,
Steven
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A couple more pics:
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Can you add an oblique shot of the base?
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Hi Frank,
I've added another base pic as requested - hope this is OK angle. While looking at the vase again I found it has another Monart-like feature, a little stress crack on the inside layer of glass near the rim.
I've also added another pic of the whole vase which I think shows the colours a bit more accurately.
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I don't think it is Monart, maybe one of the reproductions that appeared in mostly Scottish charity/gift shops in the last 10 years with added wear.
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Thanks Frank,
I don't think the wear has been added, it looks natural and there's also quite a bit of wear to the interior too which again all looks natural. I've added some more pics below. If not Monart, then I'd certainly think there's a chance it's contemporary with their output, though of course the vase could just have had a hard life.
Either way I think it's quite an interesting piece. I bought it very cheaply; it wasn't being sold as Monart but I felt it had that look. On handling it it does feel right but the shape & pontil seem wrong which was why it's so confusing. The colour is more orangey/ yellow than my photos show, my camera seems to make the vase look a little redder than it is, though the new pics below are closer.
Steven
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Possible alternative is Perthshire paperweights Chic Young.
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Swapped cameras & finally got the colour looking right....
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I agree with Frank, but was waiting for him or Nigel or anybody who knows far better than I do, to say something first. :-[
I know photos don't always give the right impressions of colour, but there's something decidedly newer-looking about it than Monart, and having seen a fair few of the pieces produced more recently, attributed now to Chic Young, I strongly suspected it was one of these.
There's one in the Edinburgh museum (Chambers street) attributed to Monart.
It's a pink and navy rimmed bowl - shape of a soldier's helmet. The colours are a bit wrongly bright, and a bit wrongly splodgy, same as this is.
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Bump for millerart ;)
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haha cheers Frank,
dunno what to make of this piece, Monart was my guess , i have 60 to 70 pieces of P/Ps and dont have this colourway nor shape/pontil,
also having visited Chic Young in his house a few years back (see intreview on ysart glass site) i was shown several pieces of his glass and some where very much in Monart colours just not this one, could be one of the many pieces made a few years back intended to deceive,
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Can I ask a daft question please .............Does all Monart have a raised and polished pontil ?
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Not daft, full answer http://www.ysartglass.com/BaseLabel/Bases.htm
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Hi,
These have been around for a lot longer then ten years. I bought one from the same series back when I was a student - so given that it was second hand then, some 36 or so years ago, I doubt any connection with Chic Young, P/Ps, etc. In fact they've been around all the time that we've been aware of the infamous 'cellophane' glass.
More abrupt change between the rim and body colouring; enamel granules and separate colours quite distinct; and a nice polished pontil; are all distinct features that are not commonly found on Monart, Vasart, Strathearn, or Perthshire Paperweight's vessels. Oh and none of the shapes are consistant with the Ysart shapes - again similarities may be found, but are outweighed by the several that aren't right.
Nigel
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Hmm, when was that Nigel? Lets assume 70s?
I don't think that date alonee could eliminate Chic Young, but Gary has done that with his knowledge. Very few others in Scotland so that would leave Peter Holmes - I think not, John Deacons - again I doubt. Both of those leave a different feel. Which leaves Herbert Dreier, Peter McDougall or Paul Ysart at Caithness. I cannot think of anyone else that could make these and as they do not match Monart shapes and finish, could not have been made to deceive even if resellers later sold them as Monart! That last name is a possible shocker but might make sense, these are well made.
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Hi,
These have been around for a lot longer then ten years. I bought one from the same series back when I was a student - t.
Nigel
wow that long ago, Mmmmmmmmmm could be roman then :smg:
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:thud: :24: :24:
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Don't know what you're laughing at, Nigel - but I have a head full of an image of you dressed as a centurion
.... with your glasses still on, obviously. :24: