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Glass / Re: This old goblet has evil symbols in it, an was used for rituals
« Last post by Ekimp on December 01, 2024, 10:07:41 AM »
These kind of things dont just appear on everyday items intended for the masses. More like on secretive "masonic" glasses?

It’s shown on the reverse of the one dollar bill.
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Glass / Re: This old goblet has evil symbols in it, an was used for rituals
« Last post by Lustrousstone on December 01, 2024, 10:06:15 AM »
I'm in the new camp. The number of mould seams doesn't dictate age. And anything made in a mould like this is mass produced because moulds are very expensive to make. I suggest Thailand as the place of manufacture, but that is just a gut feel based on colour and general style. Nothing to do with the occult or secret symbols
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Glass / Re: Clear to Green Compote Help Needed
« Last post by tonyatl on December 01, 2024, 04:30:07 AM »
i got the answer. the compote is most likely h p sinclair c. 1910
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Glass / Re: Topaz or Canary or Victoria
« Last post by cagney on December 01, 2024, 02:52:38 AM »
  Stiegel diamond daisey bottle attributed to American Flint Glass Manufactory 1764-74.
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Glass / Re: This old goblet has evil symbols in it, an was used for rituals
« Last post by Lapimano on December 01, 2024, 01:34:51 AM »
Again, I'm not an expert, but I think this is old, considering it has four of those seams? (If this is the term for what I called press marks). I was certain more modern pressed glass only have two of those, but now im not sure.

Also I think this was not mass produced, at least not on a large scale with such occult symbols. These kind of things dont just appear on everyday items intended for the masses. More like on secretive "masonic" glasses? The green color only adds to the creepiness.

"It could also be the protective eye that watches over you, and the teeth might be eyelashes?"
I think they even can be both at the same time, or maybe it has a hidden meaning only known to the cultists?

One thing is for sure, I dont want such eyes watching over me, so I quickly packed it away.

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Glass / Re: Topaz or Canary or Victoria
« Last post by cagney on December 01, 2024, 12:09:02 AM »
  Yes, the "better than the English" I think relates to purity. Reply#111 In your QV thread mentions pitchblendes "nature and prejudice to copper ore". GILLINDERS TREATISE  in relation to Victoria yellow or Topaz states at the end [ page 107 ] "by adding the copper, the color may be made as green a tinge as you wish it". To get a good yellow I would think the copper would have to be refined out or at least kept to a minimum. Whitman mentioned in the letter probably a wholesaler and may be sourcing  uraniumm from Bohemia.

  The processing scheme being set up in Bohemia mentioned in your QV thread#127, makes perfect sense to me considering uranium is being used in a wide array of products usually as a pigment from fine china to wallpaper. Purity matters, there is money to be made here.

 The information in your QV thread #146 stating that Harrachs normal output was lead based combined with the statement in THE PRACTICAL MECHANIC AND ENGINEER 1845 that there is only one glassworks in the region making lead glass tells me that Harrachs would be an obvious contender if indeed the QV bowl had a secret Bohemian lineage.

  The Waiter Spiegl link has blown my mind on two counts. First is the Wintenburgh opaque yellow tumbler on page 17, this color is an excellent match to Steubens Mandarin Yellow, of which probably half of examples extant have spontaneously cracked, very rare. Second is the the flask in the violet section. The design elements of what we call Diamond and daisey and checkered diamond are known from two separate 18th century glassworks in America Stiegels and Amelungs respectively, to this day they still insist that there is no known correlation in Europe to the Stiegels diamond and daisey. These scholars or whatever should leave their bubbles more often.

  Pictured is my candidate for Chameleon glass
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I came across a written description in a publication dated Jan 24 1884 Truth.
It is someone's description of being in Osler and describing a glass chair / throne going out to Calcutta:
See page 138
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Truth/V2FY5RJgNLAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Chameleon+Glass&pg=PA138&printsec=frontcover

Birmingham Museums have these drawings:
https://dams.birminghammuseums.org.uk/asset-bank/action/browseItems?categoryId=1765&categoryTypeId=2&cachedCriteria=1

And lots of original drawings on Alamy here:
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/glass-furniture-design-osler.html?sortBy=relevant

and then found this chair (not the same as the 1884 description I don't think) sold by Christie's:
https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-6387469

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Glass / Re: Topaz or Canary or Victoria
« Last post by flying free on November 30, 2024, 08:49:14 PM »
and Correction -
Wenzel Batka was a producer of 'chemical products'.

Source . Spiegl Walter.  http://www.glas-forschung.info/pageone/pdf/farbglas.pdf


1891 book says uranium glass was sometimes called Chameleon glass - see page 289;
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Popular_Lectures_and_Addresses_Constitut/W0QKAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Chameleon+Glass&pg=PA289&printsec=frontcover
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Glass / Re: Topaz or Canary or Victoria
« Last post by flying free on November 30, 2024, 08:07:08 PM »
in the right hand column on page 11 Spiegl lists items shown by Neuwelt at the 1835 exhibition which include toilet bottles,stained green and gilded in chrysoprase composition and goldtopaz composition:
http://www.glas-forschung.info/pageone/pdf/farbglas.pdf

I have a toilet bottle in uranium glass I think dates to c.1840.  On page 15 he shows two bechers in light and darker green opaline glass and the caption says they are 'Chrysopras-glas'.
There is a transparent yellowish uranium glass bowl shown just described as yellow uranium glass.

Page 17 talks about how difficult it was to produce yellow glass!

on page 18 he says
'During the 1840s, yellow uranium glass (“Annagelb”, “Eleonore yellow”) became a popular fashion colour. Not only souvenir and friendship glasses, but also, to a considerable extent, everyday objects such as bowls, bottles and decanters were made from it. The glasses appear yellow-green when viewed from above in daylight, and light yellow when viewed through. They display a peculiar, changing play of colors, particularly in striking sunlight, which is related to the dichroism of the glasses in ultraviolet radiation. The fluorescence effect is most beautiful in the glasses that have a yellow tint. In the types tinted green with copper oxide, the fluorescence in ultraviolet light is weaker or absent. "Isabell" was the name of a matt yellow opaque glass from the Harrach glassworks that was first produced in 1838 and is probably a uranium color, as was the "lemon yellow bone glass" from this glassworks from 1841. Both colors are very rare. The two terms do not appear in Vinzenz Pohl’s recipe booklet.'

But again, this was 1840s for the yellow uranium glass.  Not 1837.

The Queen Victoria bowl in real life to me looked more like my Walsh Walsh tumbler in the pic below.
These were taken in the evening under LED light - rubbish lighting. I actually think the toilet bottle is maybe a lamp and is North Bohemian (source Das Bohmische Glas item with same enamelling) but I don't know which glashutten.  It is also much zingier in colour in daylight whereas it bizarrely looks 'citrine' coloured in the photo on white,  but all I have in the kitchen at the mo (night) is led lighting

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Glass / Re: Topaz or Canary or Victoria
« Last post by flying free on November 30, 2024, 07:42:16 PM »
...
 'better than the English'? that's an interesting comment in the letter. What does it refer to I wonder -  uranium oxide mined from English ... Certainly at the Great Exhibition in 1851 a major middleman of Bohemian uranium oxide (Can't remember his name now)  was showing it there and I've found documents where he was selling it.




Wenzel Batka was the name of the person with uranium oxide at the Great Exhibition in 1851:
See page 1007 - no.9 - in the Official Descriptive and Illustrated Catalogue part IV The Great Exhibition:



https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Official_Descriptive_and_Illustrated_Cat/wX9lTww80aAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=uranium+oxide+bohemia&pg=PA1007&printsec=frontcover

Spiegl seems to say here in Glasforschung page 10 and 11 that there were two perhaps three producers of uranium glass which could be bought in a chemically pure state by 1840
quote ' This means that since 1840 at the latest, the foundries were no longer dependent on producing coloring additives to the mixture themselves in all cases, but could buy them in a chemically pure state.'

Source: Spiegl W. , Farbige Gläser  - Glas Forschung info
http://www.glas-forschung.info/pageone/pdf/farbglas.pdf

I've used google translate so I don't know if the translation is absolutely accurate but it seems to me to say that uranium oxide? could be bought ready made from 1840.
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