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Thank you Cagney :) I feel as though I'm going round in circles sometimes.  I do, however, feel that
 each time I reread a previous document, I've learnt and understood a little bit more about what it actually means/how it was written.

On the bottom of page 702/703 of that Ure Dictionary 1853 link there is what I found a VERY interesting description of staining of red glass for stained windows because it relates to the use of ruby (gold and copper) during the Great Exhibition period. 
I have also read contemporary reports that the Bohemians were producing ruby in 'ready made cakes' and selling it (to be used for casing I guess?).  So I've always wondered, when we see reports of the UK makers producing ruby glass in the great exhibition, whether in fact it was cased with the 'ready-mades' supplied from Bohemia (or Germany?).  i.e ruby glass was not something the UK makers were producing themselves from their own recipes.

The same might apply to uranium but slightly different, in that it was refined ready for use then shipped out/supplied maybe by Wenzel Batka?  I don't know about why in the US they may have wanted to procure uranium oxide from France.  I feel almost sure that the uranium supplies were coming from Bohemia.  So I wonder if France had found a way to refine it for use early on? (see my green Baccarat tumbler c.1840)  i.e. the French weren't dependent on buying in a fully final use refined product?  The French refined it themselves at the final stages and their refined product was a preferred product in the eyes of the US makers.  OR it was political/trade agreements dependent making it preferable to buy from France, nothing to do with quality. 
I cannot remember the year when the uranium mines production in Joachimsthal were formalised into a national company and started trading on that basis but it was around the 1850 period I think.
From the depth of my memory I seem to recall reading that Johnson Matthey were suppliers in the UK.  Perhaps US preferred Whitman/Paris?

Just as aside - is Whitman the same Whitman stamped on the bottom of the pink fishscale glass vases I wonder? GS Whitman maybe??? wracking my brains.

I agree about the design elements of the bowl being seen in the other items in the linked Apsley Pellatt catalogue.  They are quite regency in design really.  And no, I've not come across a similar style in Bohemian glass.  My first thought would have been Russian glass to be honest or French.
Then we also have the little issue of Mrs Graydon Stannus at Graystan glass producing 'best regency Irish cut glass', just 100 years later but selling it as original pieces ( :o perhaps she got hold of uranium and did a little post Banquet engraving?  - Joke, no quotes please)

Which leads me onto something I've commented on previously:
-  Was Apsley Pellatt stocking imported glass items, as well as those produced at Falcon Glass Works, in his showroom along with china from producers elsewhere in the UK?  Despite the design elements not ringing any bells with me with German glass or Bohemian glass, could these have been produced there to Pellatt's designs but in uranium glass and imported?

- Or could these bowls have been produced at a later period than 1837, perhaps at Falcon Glass Works (given the similarities in designs elements) once they'd found a secure way to produce uranium glass that didn't fall apart?

Because so far there is no corroborating evidence that Davenports produced the glass and china for the 1837 banquet as stated in the Mirror.  There isn't even any corroborating evidence that Davenports actually supplied the glass and china for the 1837 banquet except for the report in the Mirror.
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Glass / Help with this, st louis
« Last post by Tortoise56 on Yesterday at 04:03:34 PM »
Hi, anyone know for sure what this is. Looks like French, or maybe josephinenhutte
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Glass / Re: Info on James Powell Topaz glass - "The Queen Victoria Topaz bowl"
« Last post by cagney on Yesterday at 03:15:27 PM »
  This ia the first description of the refinement/reduction of uranium ore I have seen. I find it most interesting that they reduce it and make sure there is no lead left in it then add a certain amount of lead/flint and cook it to get the powdered form to add to the glass batch. Gillinder in his treatise gives some descriptions of refining/reducing particular ingredients, but not uranium. I think by the 1850s it could be had already refined to a large degree. The sourcing most important as to quality of the refined ore [Whitman/Paris better than the English].

  Leighton in his letter to John Ford after returning from Scotland {1839} mentions that they {NEG Co.} have won one gold medal and two silver in competition, " I think you beat me". Seems to imply that Holyrood has won awards already. The gold and silver medals awarded to the New England Glass Co. {NEG Co.} were won at local/regional exhibitions/fairs  arranged by mechanic associations and the like. Similar happenings in England? If so, perhaps deserving of further inquiry.

  There does not seemed to be a whole lot of information on finger bowl/glasses of Bohemian/German origin from this period. The QV bowl stands out in one other aspect and that would be the foot. The norm seems to be fingerbowls without. Although, the Pellat catalog does show basically the same shape #39. Other attributes of the QV bowl show up in various other objects in the catalog such as  the step cutting#62 #63 #68 rich cut and the foot cutting #30.

  The earliest documentation you have for lead glass using uranium in England is 1839 at Holyrood albeit probably one pot batches, 1841 for a large batch. You are tantalizingly close "m".

 
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Glass / Re: Request help identifying these Reidel wine glasses
« Last post by NevB on Yesterday at 12:08:29 PM »
Sorry flying free, I didn't look closely enough again.
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Glass / Re: Canary Yellow Candlestick
« Last post by NevB on Yesterday at 12:06:02 PM »
Thanks Mike and Neil, perhaps a marked one will turn up one day. Here is my collection of various sizes in two colours.
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Glass / Re: Canary Yellow Candlestick
« Last post by neilh on Yesterday at 08:25:31 AM »
Ah that one. Yeah we got 2.9g/cc for that. This could mean it's a relatively early pressing, and/or a quality maker.
Unlikely to be a northeast firm unless it was pressed prior to the mid 1860s, in which case Moore is just about possible.
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From 1853 - report on uranium and how it is processed, actually mentions ornamental uranium glass in quantity being recently imported from Germany -

This is I think the 4th edition of this book so I don't know  whether this material was covered in previous (i.e. earlier) editions.  This ad for a sale of a later edition states that the dictionary was first produced in 1842.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ures-Dictionary-Arts-Manufactures-Mines/dp/1542102413

However this 1853 edition reports on uranium glass as:

 'The beautiful greenish-yellow, of which colour so many ornamental glass vessels have been lately imported from Germany...'
(see attached photograph for the quote)

A Dictionary of Arts, Manufactures and Mines - Andrew Ure M.D. 1853 4th edition.
page 709
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/A_Dictionary_of_Arts_Manufactures_and_Mi/GHIPAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=uranium+glass+1837&pg=PA708&printsec=frontcover

If Davenports, John Ford, Pellatt or any other maker was producing this in the UK in 1837 then surely they wouldn't mention 'so many' ornamental glass vessels being imported from Germany?  Surely they'd be blowing the trumpet of UK manufacturers?

It does imply a more recent import and that's published in 1853. If it was included written in the same way in the 1842 apparently first edition, it would still be mentioning uranium glass imported 'lately' from Germany.   

Even if it did appear in the 1842 edition in the exact same wording, that is still 5 years after the banquet the bowls were supposedly produced for.
And if we give the bowls the benefit of the doubt and assume they were the topaz finger bowls the Mirror says were produced for the banquet, then it could very well imply they were imported from Germany.

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British & Irish Glass / Re: Lloyd and Summerfield
« Last post by flying free on February 08, 2025, 11:45:38 PM »
The Pottery and Glass Trades Journal - February 1878, page 140 right hand column small notice titled 'Old established Glass Works, Birmingham ...'

Lloyd and Summerfield of the Park Glass Works, Spring Hill, Birmingham noted as retiring and selling off business

https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Pottery_Glass_Trades_Journal/hyUGAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=glass+and+china+suppliers+guildhall+1851&pg=PA140&printsec=frontcover

Just wanted to note a specific date of closure on this thread.
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Glass / Re: Canary Yellow Candlestick
« Last post by thewingedsphinx on February 08, 2025, 09:27:55 PM »
Hi Nev
I have a large pair of these, I think they come in different sizes, Neil carried out a density check on mine ages ago they come out quite high so I think they are from the north west rather than the north east so maybe not Moore? I’ve never been able to identify them. So hope you can.
Cheers Mike
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Glass / Re: Request help identifying these Reidel wine glasses
« Last post by flying free on February 08, 2025, 09:14:56 PM »
The mark is shown here for 1960 onwards.

http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/markn-r.htm

The packaging looks to be 1970's ish.

Nev,that mark isn't the same.  They made small changes to the mark each year although it was similar in style for a good number of years.
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