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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: terri232 on November 20, 2012, 07:37:19 PM
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This gorgeous goblet is 7 1/2" in height but, woe is me - I do not know the country of origin or anything about it. Can someone kindly provide me with some information? Thank you so much!
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Hi,
I think we need some close-ups - especially of the cup. Not really my field, but my gut feeling says french or belgian perhaps.
Is the cup cameo? Does the clear show a hatched structure?
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The clear shows a type of frosted hatching I believe - I am not too good at this type of description. The stem has twisted glass in its interior...
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Like I thought it would look like. :)
This and similarly etched structures can be found on items made by Baccarat / France and Val St. Lambert / Belgium.
Now we need a real expert, who´s more familiar with this type of glass.... Ivo? ;D
Or some google skills and some luck.
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I was so intrigued by your indeed gorgeous glass I forgot my manners. ::)
Welcome to the GMB! :)
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Dirk:
Any other suggestions as to how I can ID this goblet??? Would so appreciate it.
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To me that looks very vsl - timewise I would say 1890 thru 1910. Cannot look it up right now , sorry.
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SO sorry - what does vsl mean? And is there someplace on line you can suggest my looking it up?
Thanks.
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VSL is Val St. Lambert / Belgium.
If Ivo (thank you!) can look it up it seems best just to be patient and wait until he´s near to his books. ;D
Otherwise you can try to do some detective work yourself and find books on this topic or old catalogues.
Some VSL reprints e.g. are available on ebay.fr if I remember correctly or you need to find a good library
with interlibrary loan or visit Corning Museum....
:)
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I did write to Val St Lambert - sent them an image which they do not recognize. They want to know why I think it is VSL and if it is glass or crystal...
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I really have no idea but as a guess maybe Saint-Louis?
They used a limey green and this vase appears to have similar background half moon swirls.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/10727983_french-st-louis-cameo-glass-vase
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Aw, sorry Terri, completely forgot about it... :pb:
Interesting how they reacted at VSL. There are simply features about your goblet which match
techniques used by their glassworks. Did you try to follow the Baccarat route?
M., well spotted, the etched structure´s a good match also. You´re a star - just in case you didn´t know... 8)
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:-* Dirk
Terri, something occurred to me, I don't know if Saint-Louis is right but perhaps a possible along with VSL or Baccarat...however I do know that the acid etched mark Saint-Louis put on the base of some glasses I have is incredibly faint, almost non existant on a couple. It might be worth getting out the magnifying glass and taking it into strong daylight and examining the base to see if you can spot a faint circular mark. I've no idea if they would have marked these cameo pieces, mine are a different design and a different era I think. But you may spot something.
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bit confusing now
This one has the same half moon background and is being sold as Baccarat with a link reference from a book. As far as I can tell (difficult to see clearly though), the pattern on the background of the one in the book is not the same and neither is the pattern that has been cut onto the ground, so I wondered whether it was Baccarat?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-BACCARAT-ETCHED-WINE-GOBLET-STEMWARE-CAMEO-CUT-ART-GLASS-CRYSTAL-/321031149440?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D4254698384368505437%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D2%26sd%3D130815382241%26
Searching further I found these two gilded goblets being sold as identified Saint-Louis (although I can't find a reference for them and can't see one in the listing) - the stems look remarkably similar to the one I've linked to above. Therefore I'm wondering if the goblet linked above actually is Saint-Louis? - and it has the same background as the OP's goblet/wine glass
http://www.rubylane.com/item/707339-RL489/Pair-Antique-Gilded-St-Louis
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The latter ´St. Louis´ might perhaps be Villeroy & Boch. Olaf looks quite similar and they did some of there glasses with gilding:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Romer-von-Villeroy-Boch-Model-Olaf-/190548581954?pt=Glas_Kristall&hash=item2c5d949e42
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I can see the similarities in the stem Dirk. Are there differences are the foot? does it look smaller or is it an illusion maybe ??? and the way the merese is under the bowl is different. However I've no idea whether these are significant differences to be honest. I was trying to link the gilded 'Saint-Louis' with the cameo one, but it's tenuous I agree :)
I have found a marked Saint-Louis biscuit barrel with what seems to be the same etched background though -
http://atlantaantiquegallery.com/i-5830003-st-louis-vaseline-yellow-cameo-cracker-jar.html
I suppose what we need to know is, is this particular half moon etched background specific to Saint-Louis production only. I've not found a single other Baccarat or VSL piece with that background but that 's not conclusive really...just a possible.
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The one on the right here seems to have a similar stem and foot to the two I linked to - does it help clarify the maker at all?
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/76762-free-antique-stemware-from-mom?in=442
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Agree - we need to know how exclusively the acid pattern were used, but I´ve got no idea
how so far (without buying and reading a meter of books). ;D
I think the right glass in the last link is a V&B gilded Olaf. The angle at which the picture
was taken may make the vessel look different. Anyone let her know?
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oops yes, when you enlarge her pics you can see it's different to the gilded 'Saint-Louis' at the merese (although caveat being that might not be a signficant difference) and is in fact the same as the one you linked to.
Helpful for her...not for us ;D
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this piece seems to have a similar background. It is attributed to Val St Lambert but the metalwork says 'Made in France' although the metalwork may not have any link to the glass unfortunately.
Just wondered if anyone recognised the perfume as being from a particular maker which may help pin down the goblet.
http://www.eliteauction.com/catalogues/011412/view.php?id=156
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marked pair of Cristallerie Saint Louis vases with the same etched background as the original posters wine glass. (mark can be seen on base photos)
Also cameo cut with gilding but in ruby.
https://www.1stdibs.co.uk/furniture/decorative-objects/vases-vessels/vases/pair-of-saint-louis-cameo-enameled-vases/id-f_21250502/
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