Glass Message Board
Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Madagin on March 03, 2024, 12:13:47 AM
-
This pair of vases were brought to New Zealand from Japan in the early 1960's or late 1950's by my uncle and hence are assumed to be Japanese of age unknown - there are markings but nothing that Identifies as a manufacturer simply A model and a version which I assume relates to the pattern - these vases are 22cm high, 5.5cm at top opening, 6.5cm at the base and 10cm at widest point the flowers appear to be raised glass as I have seen on Murano style adornment I have looked extensively and found nothing like them on the net and wish to identity any information possible ie maker or region of manufacture or if such a style has a name - anything is useful thank you
-
Not Japanese numerals. The slashed number seven being distinct. Here's what Wikipedia has to say about ithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numeral_variations#Old-style_numerals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numeral_variations#Old-style_numerals)
Some quasi Japanese influence maybe in the artworkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/Japonisme (https://en.wikipedia.org/Japonisme) Probably made somewhere in Central Europe [Bohemia?] and possibly late 19th century. Nicely done and you have a pair!
-
Forgot one wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japonisme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japonisme)
-
Very interesting Thank you yes obvious now you point that out and well now a whole new track of investigation to begin we know they were not new when they arrived in the country and this explains why previous investigations have born no fruit
-
I have now discovered works from the Moser glass works in Czech Republic of same size and similar design I iwll write to the factory and post their reply if they make one
19th century glass wares by Moser A. S. (Czech Republic)
The Moser glassworks were founded by Ludwig Moser (1833 - 1916). He first opened a glass workshop in the centre of Karlovy Vary in the Czech Republic in 1857 and specialised in polishing, engraving, designing and making glass objects.
In 1893, together with his sons Gustav and Rudolf, he took over a glass factory in Meierhofen bei Karlsbad, so that he now operated a full service glassworks employing 400 people.
Ludwig Moser had developed a lead-free sodium-potassium glass that is more ecologically friendly than lead glass yet is extremely hard.
Within a short time he gained the reputation as the most prestigious producer of crystal in the Eastern Europe, supplying royalty and rulers such as Emperor Franz Joseph I of Austria, the Persian Shah Musaffereddine and King Edward VII of England.
Following the death of his father in 1916, Leo Moser took over the management, and the company expanded significantly with the
By 1922 the Moser company had become the largest producer of high-end drinking and decorative glass in Czechoslovakia
The company contracted during the Depression of the 1930s, and Leo Moser resigned from the company management in 1932 and then sold the family's shareholding in 1938.
The company is now publicly owned and listed on the stock exchange in the Czech Republic, where it has four outlets together with a worldwide distribution network, and the lead-free sodium-potassium glass developed by Ludwig Moser remains the basis of their products.
-
It might be worth pointing a UV light over them and seeing if they glow green ?
-
With those marks Harrach would be another possibility. Try searching "Harrach alphanumeric markings" for some images.
-
Definitely late 19th C and Bohemian. In that style (both glass and decor) and with those numeric markings Harrach is highly likely. The decor is all enamelling. Moser seems unlikely to me. I suspect the pair you show are not Moser either.
-
I'd vote for Bohemian and I'd bet they glow with uranium.
But the are not a pair. If they were, the images would be mirrored in each other, not identical. You have two vases with the same image on.
The enamelling is quite well done. :)
-
Thank you for your information, I have to say this journey has become a lot more fascinating than I had first imagined. I did not know this world of glass existed and had no knowledge of it - the supposed Mosser glass vases I posted were simply identified as such on an auction website. I have sent the images and a request to the Mosser works as I saw they had a museum email contact. I will now also approach Harrach glass - I did see an image of markings on what was claimed as a Harrach glass piece, and they do have similarity in form ( as attached) I also note from reading that Harrach were specialists in producing the white glass (called milk glass) for enameling which fits with how these vases seem to be constructed. Thank you for your assistance so far with this investigation.
Mod: Image removed as it doesn't belong to OP, please link to images that you don't own to prevent copyright infringement claim issues, thanks.
-
Definitely late 19th C and Bohemian. In that style (both glass and decor) and with those numeric markings Harrach is highly likely. The decor is all enamelling. Moser seems unlikely to me. I suspect the pair you show are not Moser either.
Agree.
m
-
Here's a long link to one of the images, this one also carries the Harrach three plumes/"propellor" mark. Sadly the site it was on appears to have disappeared.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=AGJJK6dB&id=A2DC67574ABE42BB53F842B06AF8EEBDEABB6916&thid=OIP.AGJJK6dBNDlRLyuWtmqEzwAAAA&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fsites.google.com%2fa%2fbohemianglassandmore.com%2fbohemian-glass-and-more%2f_%2frsrc%2f1234936313543%2fharrach-alpha-numberic-markings-de-constructed%2fIMG_1899.JPG%3fheight%3d348%26width%3d420&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.0062492ba7413439512f2b96b66a84cf%3frik%3dFmm76r3u%252bGqwQg%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=348&expw=420&q=harrach+alphanumeric+markings&simid=608013622847828310&FORM=IRPRST&ck=B59205B412761DDE043D4992DE5FEE95&selectedIndex=0&itb=0&idpp=overlayview&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0
-
Th emystery path gets longer - its exciting really
Reply from Moser Glass museum
Below is the statement of our glass expert: The vases in the photos are not Moser glassware products.
The vases are made of refined opal enamel by painting.
The Moser glass factory did not and does not produce such products.
In my opinion, if they are made in the Czech Republic, they could be products of glassworks in Nový Bor.
With best regards Lucie Duchková
Customer Service Specialist
MOSER, a.s.
T: +420 353 416 242
M: +420 734 410 471
-
There are a number of vases in the Harrach book 'From Neuwelt to the Whole World' Mergl J. 2012 which have a gold band device with little white dots around it. Those I've spotted easily seem to date to c.1876/7 (pages245 and 225 for examples).
In addition there is a vase plate 274 page245 which is a Beinglas vase (looks much whiter than yours in the photograph not cream, though it is described as ' Lightly yellow-toned opaque glass, mould blown'.
It has a similar gold band with white dots device around the rim and also has what to my eye looks to be similar enamelling style, large- leaf flora quite 'loose and splashy' for want of a better description, and similar colour palette to yours - different design of the enamelled picture though and different shaped vase.
The label to the plate states it dates to 1878 prod. no. 358/l 12" and is marked on the base:
'a brown inscription 358/l 12" / V 198'
Unfortunately no photograph of the base shown.
Description of the enamelling reads:
'Painted in enamels in vivid colours and in gold, partly polished - two ostriches flying out of tropical vegetation, with passion flowers rendered underneath'.
The gilded band dot design might be a device used by a number of companies as it's not that distinctive I suppose but it perhaps gives a time frame as Christine said, of late 19th?
-
Your vase is Harrach. It has an example of the Harrach numbering system on the base. A great many Harrach vases do not have the propellor mark
-
Thank you Lustrousstone and Flying Free I have written to the Harrach Factory collection for further information - if I get I will post
-
You may not get a helpful answer. There has been a lot of change at the factory and in the country since this was made, including nationalisation
-
As Christine says, this is true. However, if you mention the reference I've given from the book with the plate number and the description as I wrote it, there is a faint chance they might be able to find it.
They found one of mine including the pattern drawing of it and I think that was around that period (might have been slightly earlier)so there could be some documentation available around that time.
m
-
I have followed up with the additional reference information however only have an email address for reception unlike other factories there is no specific address for a museum or collection
I have had no reply or acknowledgment of receipt so at this point I do not know where this information is going or if it is going anywhere to be honest
Thank you all fro your help I appreciate it
-
I think most probably Harrach is your answer; everything fits, from glass shape and colour, to decoration and, most importantly, the numeric marking on the base. As I said, Harrach has gone through too many changes to be likely to help with a 130-year old vase. You may get a more helpful answer on this specialist Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/212827135403330
-
thank you duly noted unfortunately Facebook is not something I have access to however now that I know this group exists but perhaps in time I will find find someone on it to post about them for me - it is however still very much and interesting journey so far. there will be someone that knows I am sure patience is key
-
You have the best answer you will get on here. There are only a few core members who pop in these days.
-
Thank You Christine, Harrch have replied to say thank you for the information and they would look into it for me and see if they have more - I will find someone allowed to have Facebook and ask them to post the information unfortunately this is not accessible to me because we are not allowed third party spyware on any of our systems as it contravenes client security contracts Ie no Facebook, Instagram, whats app, pintrest, tiktok,skype, viber,google products or most Microsoft products thats why this site is so great because it doesn't data mine your personal information or copy files - thank you for the gift of the time you gave to this has been a big help to me - all the best for your future hunting
-
Madagin thank you for posting that Harrach had replied to you. If they do come back with any further information would you mind letting us know with an update please?
Many thanks
m