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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: geurlain on August 06, 2017, 02:51:44 PM
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I bought this vase not too long ago, but I am not sure who is the maker. Some say pallme konig, some stephanek. I would like to know more about this item.
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I'd go with Kralik but I'll have to check ::) ;D ;D oh and welcome ;D ;D
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And I thought more Palme Konig.
I have seen a piece like this, in an inkwell shape, in the former Schindler Factory, in Krakow; now a museum to those who lived under occupation.
It was in a room set up to emulate an original office.
It's the extra "twistiness" of the strapping that makes me veer in that direction, but it's not an area I know well - I just admire it. ;D
Welcome to the board. :)
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Thanks! I feel welcomed :) - I will start to look on Kralik also. I just started on pieces like this and find it a very wide field. I not own a lot of books on iriscedent threaded glass art, so all info is welcolme ;D
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Glad to hear you feel welcomed, it's a good start. ;D
There are other people here who do know a lot more about this sort of glass than we do.
Have a little patience, somebody else will have more to tell you than we do.
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Hi and welcome to the board. It's a lovely vase you have there.
Some of our members have an interest in this type of glass, you might find their own websites of help too:
http://www.kralik-glass.com/
http://bohemianglasscollector.blogspot.co.uk/
https://sites.google.com/site/loetzandglass/Home
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For Loetz see also http://www.loetz.com/ - a superb resource.
A couple more Kralik Veined examples.
John
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Thanks a lot for all the links, superuseful. I am still hazard between Kralik and Pallme Konig. But the links bring me a lot closer to the maker. Top!
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Best information at present is that yours is Kralik:
http://www.kralik-glass.com/kralikveinedarray.html
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I agree. Its confusing though because some of this vases are also registred as pallme konig and loetz.
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In general, a majority of threaded glass attributed to Pallme Koenig is actually Kralik production. PK threaded or veined production is in general quite a bit more organic in form. Loetz did not actually make a decor much like this, and attributions to Loetz are generally hopeful sellers ;D
The three pics added here are to show a different in aesthetic between a PK decor, and Kralik's decor shift of that decor. The overall aesthetic difference seen in the first two images, are similar to the aesthetics if I accumulated images of Kralik and PK threading. I happened to have these handy. Pic 1 is PK. Pic 2 is Kralik.
The third image is of PK threaded production, and I think the difference in aesthetic between those, and this example is like what is seen in the first two images.
I am pretty confident that your piece is Kralik production.
Hope this helps clear it up for you.
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A quick hijack to say hi to Craig :) and a question please?
Craig if the top section are Pallme Koenig does it help identify my vase in this link as it appears to have remarkable similarities with the vase in the second row on the right? I know it's not the same, but there is something about it which just makes the comparison stand out.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,38715.0.html
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=38715.0;attach=114603;image
Sorry to derail the thread and thank you :)
m
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Hi back to m,
Still unidentified as far as I am concerned.... I have never thought the PK attribution of those pieces was very strong at all. I do not know who it is by, but I would not say PK. I have never seen the connection.
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aaah one day we will find the maker ... thank you :)
m
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In my thanks post I originally mentioned the crimp rim but deleted it.
But actually the crimp on mine reminded me of this one which seem to be attributed to Pallme Koenig:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bf/e5/4a/bfe54a0857fffde43c71e090825589df--rousseau-lalique.jpg
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Not enough for me...... :-)
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Might be worth investigating (ponders) - I will do some more looking :)
I have thought of one possible avenue.
I've emailed you about something else and hoping your contact is still the same.
m
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This example is quite indicative of Kralik production. PK production in general is known for much more organic forms, and also for specific color sets in their veined production. I would say this is Kralik production myself.
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Thank you :) (you did mean the piece in the link I posted in reply #14 didn't you? - just so we aren't talking at cross-purposes :) )
So, maybe the rim formation might be another clue. I'm sure I've seen another one or two maybe pieces in that deep red iridescent that might be Kralik as well. I'll have to do some searching as I've lost all my research ::)
edited - no, my memory failed me. It was this type/shape or similar I seem to remember
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Art-Nouveau-Bohemian-Stolzle-Red-Iridescent-Art-Glass-Vase-with-Open-Work-Collar-/381610893935
m