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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Belgium and the Netherlands Glass => Topic started by: liz123 on September 06, 2010, 10:48:13 PM
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This is the first time I have tried to upload a picture:
I would like to find out more about this item.
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Liz, you need to have much larger photos to give detail.
Almost all glass identification goes better if there is a clear shot of the base. The best way to take the base photo is form a shallow angle to the side. This removes much of the distraction from refraction by the glass itself and if there is a signature it shows up as dark against the lighter reflection of the smoother glass. For vases and bowls it may be useful to get a closeup of the upper rim - again a little to the side to remove the effects od refraction and reflection in the object itself.
As for sizing and posting I urge you to read the useful guide contained in the GMB on how to best do that. Hope this helps.
Ross
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Thanks Ross,
I will try another picture which shows the signature - I have spent most of the
day trying to learn how to resize the photo. I will try to take new pictures tomorrow but this is another
one taken with the phone. The base has a slight chip on the pedestal underneath - but this is the signature
which is a letter B in a square.
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That is a great attachment, the size is excellent - pity about the quality. Nevertheless that will probably be sufficient for someone to recognise(Just not me I am afraid). Just looking at the makers mark - is the B contained in a square or is it contained within two L shaped sections - it seems the latter from the fuzzy photo. If so that suggests LBL or BLL or LLB may represent this initials of a company or person.
Ross
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Thanks for your advice Ross -
The B is in 2 L shapes (not quite touching) making up a square which I why I thought it
was Lucienne Bloch for Leerdam -
but the ducks she made (although they look really similar) all seem to be frosted glass whereas this
glass is clear - not frosted - and a bit yellowish.
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Hi,
I found the mark on your duck on this site,
https://www.glasmarken-lexikon.de/index.php.en
However, you need to be a Paid up Member to see any Info.
I wonder if there are any Paid up Members here who would look this up for you? I'm afraid I'm a bit strapped for cash at the moment to join!!!
Hope you find out SOON!!!
Warmest Wishes,
John
p.s Just a thought, but have you tried Ivo's Book?? Its an Excellent source, I can Highly Recommend it, sadly I lost my copy.
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Thanks for your link John,
I did find this sign on the web - it looked exactly the same and I think
it must be Lucienne Bloch for Leerdam - I saw the same signature on this
link for glass marks: http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/marki-l.htm
Bloch did a similar duck on this link: http://www.luciennebloch.com/glass.htm
But the ducks she made are frosted glass whereas my figure is clear - not frosted.
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Well Both the Mark AND the style of the Duck look good for Bloch, But Ivo is the man for Leerdam!!!
Now where is he when you need him!!!lol
Warmest Wishes,
John
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Thank you for the information John-
I hope I get a chance to hear from Ivo too.
It would be really interesting to know more about it from somone with
knowledge on Leerdam, in particular.
Best Regards
Liz
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Tweaked the title slightly to try and attract more attention to this one for you.
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Thank you Anne :angel:-
I appreciate it -
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Now where is he when you need him!!!lol
Spain, actually. :phew:
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Spain, actually. :phew:
Hi Ivo,
It seems like it might be a bit hot in Spain. :sun:
If you have any information about Leerdam I would love to know more
about it -
maybe when you finish your holiday.
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:hi: yes very hot here. Looks like your ducky is legit and I would think there is sufficient info out there without my intervention.
I am no source for detailed info on the designs of ms. Bloch. I find them pretentious, overrated and overpriced. But that is only opinion....
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Enjoy your holiday, Ivo, this one is well documented enough to be handled by a Leerdam novice like myself :)
Picked up my Leerdam book to insert some details, and though I'm not a collector, I know her work. An ex-boyfriend actually went on an excursion to Leerdam in the early eighties and bought me her elephant as a souvenir (see picture). Must have been some sale clearance, since her work according to the book hasn't been produced anymore after the late seventies.
According to the book, Lucienne Bloch's early designs were made both in satinated and in clear glass. This duck is one of her earliest designs for Leerdam, it was in designed in 1929, but produced until at least the early fifties, also with monogram (if I interpret the book text correctly).
She designed in this style at least 7 animal figures for Leerdam (two ducks, a lioness, a crocodile, a dog, a deer and a fish), a nude female figurine and a set of book supports with female figures. And she did 3 types of car masquottes, an angel, a bird and a symbol with two fishes that were only produced for a short time. All designs were made between 1929 and 1951.
Astrid
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:hi: yes very hot here. Looks like your ducky is legit and I would think there is sufficient info out there without my intervention.
I am no source for detailed info on the designs of ms. Bloch. I find them pretentious, overrated and overpriced. But that is only opinion....
Thank you very much Ivo and Astrid,
I really appreciate what you have told me - as a novice collector I have no idea about
this piece. I have had this duck for a couple of decades and it did not really inspire me to start collecting glass. I can understand what
you mean Ivo - there seems to be some sort of hype surrounding Bloch.
The Bloch elephant, that you mentioned Astrid, is really cute but the duck is not really beautiful.
A TV programme about Millersburg Carnival Glass and the type of glass that shines in the dark first gave me the
idea of collecting glass. I really like decorative glass.
Thank you both again, Liz
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Hello Liz123...... :hi:
I am a Bloch addict, and have just seen this thread....I know you have definative answers, but just wanted to say....if you decide to sell, please let me know....a loving home would await!!
For the record, I have 3 of this size duck, 2 ducklings, 2 dachshunds a Leaping Hare car mascot and 3 elephants. I am still trying for the deer and any clear pieces, as mine are all frosted glass.
rosieposie. ;D
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Well, there are always Bloch pieces for sale on www.marktplaats.nl, the Dutch auction site (though you'd have to check with sellers if they are willing to ship internationally). Currently I see 2 clear ducks, 1 satinated duck, 2 satinated deers, and the nude figurine.
The prices they demand however are very steep. The figurine is the most expensive one, bidding today is already at 750 euro. One deer requires a minimum bid of 300 euro, the other got stuck currently at 125 (but that bid was apparently not accepted). The bigger clear duck already has a bid of 150. If you get any of these under 200, you'd be doing well...
Astrid
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you should also be aware that Marktplaats is subject to manipulation - a bid may not be genuine but reflect the seller's ideal - a decoy bid. It is not likely that anyone would be willing to fork out hundreds of euros for a kitschy knicknack which has been in production for over 50 years....
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In lots of ways, you are right Ivo.....they are after all pressed glass, or molded, but I just like the simplicity of the designs.
My first piece was a great disappointment......I started to collect glass ducks, and this was for sale, pictured on a carpet and listed as Glass Duck. No attribution and no provenance. I knew nothing much about glass except that i loved Art Deco and Ducks, and this seemed to embrace the two!!
When it arrived, I was disappointed....it was yellowed and although totally unblemished, just looked tired!! I left it soaking in washing up liquid but to no avail, so to the back of the display cabinet it went!!
Then another came up for sale with the provenance of Leerdam, Lucienne Bloch and a start price of £20.00 I had paid £1.99 for mine, so I watched the bidding and was shocked to see it went over £50!!
Then I researched more, and found that they were sought after, so looked for other pieces. I found an Elephant, then a duckling.
Then, someone was selling Two Old Glass Orniments (sic).
There was a picture of two little pieces on a kitchen table on a patterned cloth. I knew what they were, and placed a bid. Start price was 99p. No one else bid. They were flawless, and I was floored!
I won't pay a lot for them, but I do like them, and am always on the lookout for more, so you see, someone likes them!!
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you should also be aware that Marktplaats is subject to manipulation - a bid may not be genuine but reflect the seller's ideal - a decoy bid. It is not likely that anyone would be willing to fork out hundreds of euros for a kitschy knicknack which has been in production for over 50 years....
Shrug, basic economics. Supply has to be checked against demand. Demand apparently is high enough even for the large supply.
I checked Botterweg auctions 2010: the last nude figurine of Bloch to go under the hammer in 2010 was valued 750-1000 euro. Minimum bid was 550, it fetched 750. Seems this one is very much in demand. Even if a professional auction house like Botterweg would manipulate the bidding proces (which I'm not suggesting in any way), apparently there are still buyers who will offer that sort of money plus 20+% auction expenses in the end. The kitschy knickknack is a genuinely expensive knickknack :)
The satined deer figurine was valued at 20-40 and went for 56. That's lower than most bids I see on marktplaats for it, where it usually goes over 100. The car mascots are the most expensive, they fetch over 1000 at Botterweg.
I'm not saying of course that I would pay that for any of them.
Astrid
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The satined deer figurine was valued at 20-40 and went for 56. That's lower than most bids I see on marktplaats for it, where it usually goes over 100.
... that one was badly damaged, as is the one that is stuck at 125 euro. A couple of years ago a deer would fetch 300 euro, now 200 euro).
... back to topic: the duck is beautiful (would love to own it :kissy:) and absolutely authentic.
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Ah, I forgot to check the condition, thanks, that explains the price differences with the deer.