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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: mjr on April 11, 2009, 11:57:30 PM
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French weights are not my area of expertise. Could one of the Baccarat experts let me know what they think of this. Its about 2.75 - 3 inch diameter, typical french dished base.
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doesn't look much like a type 1, 2 or 3 baccarat pansy.
st louis made a pansy, but again not in the style of yours....
if you think its antique then a better picture would be great ;) yours 'resembles' a clichy-style pansy but there are other more likely possibilities.....
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I was only guessing at Baccarat. This is a rear view.
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and a slightly bigger front view image. Must apologise but its past 1 am, several bottles of Blossom Hill californian red (£2.99 special from Bargain Booze - nowt but the best!!!) , the wife's snoring on the end of the settee, and the images taken on the mobile phone! Happy Easter!!
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It will be interesting to see if anyone else thinks that it is a modern Chinese.
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I was thinking early Chinese - 1920's. There are some similarities to antique french weights but nothing that fits the usual pattern/colourations. A chinese pansy may be much rarer than the antique equivalent!!
St Louis pansies 'traditionally' have swan neck stems - looping out to the side of the flower head.
Clichy pansies are not usually seen with the petals arranged at 12, 9 and 3 o'clock - unlike their Baccarat and St Louis cousins.....
Baccarat pansies are more varied - three distinct types but non match your example.
A rather good illustration of a number of antique types is in paul hollisters "glass paperweights of the NYHS" - colour plate 34.
some other possibilities are 1920's french/dupont, or even north american - the american manufacturers did 'copy' some antique designs but gave them their own individual tweaks....
intriging and i'm envious!!!
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And you can see an American example at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220392084786 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220392084786)
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If it is modern chinese that should be easy to prove - there will be other examples out there!!!
there is a 1920's chinese pansy in flemming and pommerenckes paperweights of the world and the odd example does turn up on ebay. I remember a faceted example a few months ago....
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I have examples of pansies and other Chinese flowers from the 1920s era, and this one of Martin's looks different.
It would be nice to see a sharper image, but I think it may be a pansy from this century - ie post 2000. I remember looking at a Chinese manufacturers website a couple of years ago and there were lampwork flowers of reasonable quality on offer, including pansies, set in clear glass. The concave base on this looks unusual though. There was a similar pansy on eBay around the same time, but I have not got images I am sorry to say.
Alan
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Some interesting comments. My initial thoughts were French because of the scalloped base and the low profile, although the pansy does not look like the Baccarat versions. Anyway, I have taken some better photos which are here
http://s204.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/mjryorkie/weights/ (http://s204.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/mjryorkie/weights/)
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In the bottom pic, am I seeing a wear ring with quite a bit of wear? If so, does the wear appear to be genuine?
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Certainly got some genuine wear round the base, and around the waist. It also has a chip just below the waist and s bit of scratching elsewhere. Its been about a bit! I do reckon that its got some age to it.
The glass is pretty clear with no noticeable colour to it.
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Thanks for loading better pics....I should have reserved comment.....
My 'revised' thoughts are post-war and probably Chinese......
I hope to be proved wrong...