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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: Daniels_Glass_Items on July 28, 2007, 01:39:42 PM
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Can anyone help me to identify this paperweight with a sea anemone pattern, I think its quite old but dont know anything about its history or its maker.
Thanks for you help
Dan
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z182/Daniels_Rare_Items/Paperweight.main.jpg (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z182/Daniels_Rare_Items/Paperweight.main.jpg)
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Dan,
Welcome here, but sorry I cant see the pic...but (and I am most likely way off on this) do a search for "seagem" or "sea gem" or "seagems" etc on ebay.
Good luck,
PS: If you go to any of the forums' sticky posts at the top you'll find a link to post pics in yobunny ....use that...works better than any of the others!
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aaaaargh...not seagem!
What does the base look like?
....in my book it does not look very old...sorry
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http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z182/Daniels_Rare_Items/Paperweight.base.jpg (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z182/Daniels_Rare_Items/Paperweight.base.jpg)
Here's a pic of the base if that helps.. :huh:
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Hi - I've got a fairly similar one - with black ribbons, though. It's a fairly big one - 100 mm diameter and about 1350 g. What size is your's?
No idea what it is - so I also would be most interested in any hints other readers can give.
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Might be modern Chinese. ??
Interesting technique. Looks like it was formed from three basic pieces each made in the same way with a central core of clear overlayed with blue then white chips, followed by a coating of clear then the orange-white strips. Then the three being joined (which has flattened out the middle and lower sections) and covered again with clear glass to make the whole thing. The various air bubbles, some being quite large, show the "joins" (even a very good maker might struggle a bit to form something in this way without getting the air bubbles).
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Not so difficult as it may seem, Kevin. But then, the whole point is to design something that is easy to do but that looks difficult! :)
Remind me to show you how next time you come over!
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Compare it to this one, which I bought recently. http://www.glassencyclopedia.com/2viewspaperweight.html
The second picture looks cloudy but that is just my photograph. Its actually very clear.
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Yeap yours looks very similar AngelaB.
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Compare it to this one, which I bought recently. (the following taken from the web page)
The label on the base of this paperweight reads:
SIGNATURE STYLE
by Murphy
NEW ZEALAND
CHINA.
How do I interpret this ? :o
Designed by Murphy - who lives in New Zealand - but made in China?
Designed and made in China - and imported by Murphy in New Zealand?
In the latter case: I bought mine from a seller in France - no label - so it's just Chinese?
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We are still finding out about these. They are certainly being imported into New Zealand from China and sold in very nice boxes lined with white satin.
It is possible that the paperweights are designed in NZ and made in China, but I suspect it is more likely they are designed and made in China.
It's still a nice paperweight. The quality is a lot better than the Chinese imported paperweights with bitty fish or seagulls floating in them that I saw about five years ago.
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It certainly has a modern Chi base and looks to be quite new.
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"snip"It's still a nice paperweight. The quality is a lot better than the Chinese imported paperweights with bitty fish or seagulls floating in them that I saw about five years ago.
I know I'll get crucified for this 8) but the Chinese weights are getting better and better.....a couple of years down the line they are going to be really good. I believe that somewhere one of the chinese factories are going to start collecting the best glassworkers in one place and then we will see a much bigger shock than the one Perthshire created in the market some years ago.
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It would take a lot to outdo Perthshire, but it's not impossible.
I agree that the newer Chinese weights are improving in quality. I have always liked their flowers and it's nice to see them in perfectly clear crystal now. I am picking up the some of the nicest ones here and there when the pocket book won't allow me to get a Scottish weight.
I've heard that TJ Maxx carries nice Chinese weights. They're building one near me. I'll be there looking them over when they open.
I like the way they tend to run in large sizes these days.
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It would take a lot to outdo Perthshire, but it's not impossible."snip"
I agree 100% with that! But it is a big ask!
I do not like the "modern swirley wirley" weights as much as I do the lampwork and cane weights. I therefore hope that they make more of the latter and less of the former :)
Anycase I am starting to eventually focus ::) my collection. And it is around 3 things Perthshire, paperweight related items and Chinese animal lampwork weights!
Cheers
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I collect Perthshires (amongst a lot of other glass things) and I'm keeping a close eye on the Chinese weights. Like you, I prefer the lampwork types, not the abstracts.
What does anyone make of this? Is it Chinese? Could it be Murano?
Its not quite ugly and not quite beautiful.
http://www.glassencyclopedia.com/butterflypaperwt.html
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That is an extra fine example of the new Chinese weights. It is a rather large size with nice lampwork. It would be prettier if the stem and leaf were a nicer shade of green but otherwise that is a really nice paperweight. If I saw that in a store, I would grab it in a heartbeat.
Not fond of Chinese millefiori. When they put Italian canes in their weights they usually get badly distorted and their own canes just aren't much to look at yet.
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Thank you for the identification.
I'm not sure I would recognise their own millefiori and the kind of murano millefiori they put in their Chinese paperweights. Do you have a couple of pictures you could share with us on this?
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Here's one of my Fav modern Chi weights in my collection. It's a super magnum too at 5'' diameter. I've seen other examples of this design that did not turn out nearly as well.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/m1asmith/chimodernmagnum2rosessoakedwiththeb.jpg)
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Angela: Alas I don't.
Mark: Now that's what I'm talking about! My one wish would be that the quality in Chi weights (nifty name!) would be more consistent and like that weight all of the time.
The problem I have in finding good ones is that there are tons on Ebay but the sellers put up a representative photo that is not the one you would get so it's a crap shoot on quality. Some of them also charge through the nose on shipping.
I did order one a couple days ago. When I get it, I will put up a picture.
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"snip" I'm not sure I would recognise their own millefiori "snip"
I believe this to be a weight with some of their early canes on ebay:200137269652
(This one is not mine)
"snip Chi weights (nifty name!) "snip"
My favourite new name is "Chirano" that was coined by someone here....sorry cant remember who... for a chinese weight with murano canes. I have one or two and will try to post some pics later. (this is very similar:120147317776)
Kind regards,
KarelM
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The first weight is typical of 1930's pieces. I have a few of them. The second is more recent with typical Chinese canes. Their color palette is more limited than Italian canes and the white reminds me of skim milk. Italian white is absolutely opaque. Italian canes are in general more detailed and crisp. Chinese canes look kinda mushy to me.
I would suggest studying pictures of stuff you know is Italian and stuff you know is Chinese. After a while you get to recognize them. I do not suggest Ebay because they have a mountain of stuff they call Murano that is Chinese even with Murano stickers. I've talked to sellers who think the Chinese stuff is new Murano and the genuine is old. Massive misinformation out there.
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Thanks for that info. I would love to see some of your pictures and I will put up some of mine. You can add pictures as attachments to a message on here now (new feature of this board).
Has anyone got pictures of Chinese paperweight(s) with murano labels? I've heard about these but never seen one with its label.
Have you also noticed a tendency for collectors to label any nice looking Chinese as Murano on the grounds that it IS nice looking? Or am I missing something - did they make Chinese-style paperweights in Murano at some stage? :-\
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Have you also noticed a tendency for collectors to label any nice looking Chinese as Murano on the grounds that it IS nice looking? Or am I missing something - did they make Chinese-style paperweights in Murano at some stage? :-\
The made "Murano" weights in China, in other words they used Murano canes to make Chinese weights and as was mentioned by GTH some have labels. To me the give away is the base that is normally ground flat, not polished in is not a perfect round shape. If you look at this weight you can get an idea of the base:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-1569 towards the left of the base you can see an indentation or fault that is typical of the Chinese weights.
As to Murano: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3014 this would sell in a flash as Murano, with or without a sticker. People want to make money and they believe Murano is worth more than chinese so they make a slight "error" in identification ;D
(Angela, maybe we should split the last couple of posts off into a new post?)
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I have some examples of obvious Chi weights with Murano labels but I saved them off of auctions I saw on Ebay so I don't think I can post them anywhere. All of the examples had Chinese canes.
Karelm: The canes in that pair of weights, while very tidy looking still look Chinese to me and not Italian. In the weight where you are showing the base, the canes have some resemblance to Fratelli Toso but they still look Chinese with that pale six petaled flower. They've stepped up their quality a bit by encasing it in white and red.
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GTH: The edges of those canes I do say have a resembalance to the Italian ones with those fine coggs on them but, yes, the flowers dont look right. Also if you look at the weight from the top:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-1567 you can see the setup is out of balance or the glass is not balanced. (BTW these pics are some that Tigerchips uploaded for a different topic.
Kind regards
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Stunning Chi Weight. What a lovely piece, I was browsing some the other day form an art glass dealer began with an S an they had some gorgeous ones of a Jellyfish inside the paperweight I think it was when I searched for anemone (or how ever you spell it) on google.. the prices where stunning too....
Thank you all for you help!
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Hi,
I have learned not to place "live auctions" but in this case I make an exception. These guys do not know what they are talking about and they are a species I hate, the ones that make their living out of overcharged postage!
Anycase, I believe this: 280142120071 is one of the best made Chinese weights that I've seen in a long time! For these guys to be selling them at 1c a go they must be made in the hundreds, if not thousands...but it does show how the Chinese are improving!
Kind regards,
KarelM
PS: mods please be gentle with my hate speech ;D
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I've been watching those for quite a while. They know they have a product that looks great but they don't want to come out and say it's made in China so they just put up bunch of blather. They put the price they want to make in the shipping and list it with a penny opening bid. 29 bucks to ship that thing. Ridiculous but it is a very beautiful weight. I think I'm going to get me one next payday. ;D
Here's a Chi weight I found recently:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-8133 (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-8133)
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-8134 (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-8134)
Sorry about the lousy quality of the pics.
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Mouth blown?
!! ;D
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Mouth blown?!! ;D
Yip they put the lampwork in a blowpipe and fire it into the molten glass >:D ;D
Seriously, is there somebody in the USA that knows if these weights are in the shops and at what price. I would love to buy one but am not paying the $70 odd international shipping!
GTH, The ground of that weight is intresting although the blobs are a bit big it is very similar to many of the Bohemian weights...something to keep in mind when I see a Boh weight advertised again!
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Mouth blown?!! ;D
Yip they put the lampwork in a blowpipe and fire it into the molten glass >:D ;D
Adam, that's a technique you'll have to try at your next paperweight open day! ;D >:D
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Dan, if you're still about, do you still have the original picture please and if so can you add it as an attachment to this topic to keep the info valid? Many thanks. :)