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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: keith on September 18, 2009, 03:50:04 PM
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Got this today,couldn't think what it was till I got home and then remembered where I'd seen one,on the bar in a pub,an ice dispenser,doh!thought I'd picked up something odd and unusual,Keith.
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Is it a crown or a helmet at the top of the motif?
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Can only describe it as a 'barrel' with a cross and orb on top with crossed keys behind,close up included,Keith.
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Possibly a religious symbol as the swordlike key would be quite a strong one combining power and knowledge, the crown/mitre looks distinctly non-English, East or Southern Europe and non-islamic middle eastern are possibilities. Another possibility would be masonic. Track down the symbology and you will find more about the glass.
Is it etched or transfer decoration? Shot of base may help on glass.
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Thanks Frank,will look into those suggestions,thought I'd got a 'turkey' may turn out to be more interesting than I first thought,here's another pic',Keith.
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Isn't it a Papal tiara; and are not those the keys of St Peter?
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That's just what I've been looking at,crossed keys,St Peter etc...also checking Masonic symbols,if it is a pub ice bucket did some one swipe it from the vatican! Aaargh! no ice for the Popes whiskey!
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I always thought that the Pope enjoyed a glass of Vat 69 -or was that his telephone number?????
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Careful now,as Father Ted used to say,
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Hah, must be Murano then.... :chky:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_regalia_and_insignia
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Pope Salviati the first???????????
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::)
On the other hand I could not find a single example of the papal arms where the key handles become sword hilts. And while masons use similar symbols nothing quite like this... so it might be something close to but distinct from the Vatican. Not Swiss Guard either.
Crossed swords are symbolical in catholic church, one is spiritual carried by the church and the other temporal carried for the church. :24: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_power )
Is it etched or transfer decoration?
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It's transfer,some wear to the base but with practical pieces that's not much to go on,when I first saw it I thought the crossed keys was just the name of the pub it came from,Keith.
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Looking again at Keith's pictures, I can see a similarity to a basket hilt (such as you would find on a sabre or cutlass), but I'm pretty sure that these are just highly ornamental keys. Swords in heraldry are often very simple, with just a bar as a guard; that means of course that they can be shown point down, and looking like a cross. (Think knights on a crusade.....) The crossed keys are, of course, the keys to the gates of Heaven, and sometimes indicate that in earlier times a hostelry had a religious association. The use of the papal tiara would seem to indicate a continental rather than English origin. The empty cartouche would seem to indicate that it lacks or has lost an inscription. This is proving to be a real puzzle!
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Time line is probably 30s-70s. There is also a cross, Maltese? perhaps on ribbon... knights templar? Were negative towards the Tiara and perhaps this is related to this design... back to masons perhaps. I give up.