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Title: A new Ysart design Frank??
Post by: cfosterk on October 14, 2006, 03:04:11 PM

Not sure how many examples of this type of Ysart weight there are out there! I've seen the illustration of the entwined garlanded butterfly - but this was in my late fathers collection.

Views would be appreciated. A 'new' design Frank??

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l139/cfosterk/DSCF0101.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l139/cfosterk/DSCF0103.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l139/cfosterk/DSCF0104.jpg

This next one shows my limited collection of ysart weights....

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l139/cfosterk/DSCF0112.jpg

more on the cap badge to follow - attribution is dubious in my view...

Title: A new Ysart design Frank??
Post by: Frank on October 14, 2006, 06:18:55 PM

Nice bunch, Kevin is the expert on the weights though.

Title: bergstrom plate 61 bristol
Post by: cfosterk on October 15, 2006, 01:08:17 PM

this is the only other documented example i've seen (also illustrated in colour in Cloak ref 319 correctly as Ysart).

I'll await Kevins considered view.

Title: A new Ysart design Frank??
Post by: KevinH on October 16, 2006, 02:03:50 PM

There are "a few" or perhaps "several" known examples of PY weights using an "Interlaced Garland" or "Looped Garland" pattern.

The one shown in the Cloak book (and the later Bergstrom Museum edition), was also shown in b&w in Evangeline Bergstrom's 1940 work Old Glass Paperweights - page 61. It was attributed as Bristol and because it was unsigned, did not get removed from the reprint of the book, which was the fate of the two other weights signed PY that were orignally thought to be antique French.

The garlands vary in their form. Some are true "interlaced" with the lines of canes going "over and under" - which could also be called "interlaced trefoils". Others have the loops formed as in the one shown in this thread - with one line of canes to the outer and one line to the inner making loops of two colours. And then some have the loops in the same colour but with alternating colours for adjacent loops.

I have missed out on two of these types of weight as I was not prepared to make a high enough bid.

Title: garland PY weight
Post by: cfosterk on October 16, 2006, 05:14:40 PM

I think your observation is spot on Kevin - it is not an interlaced garland. Probably more accurately described as a patterned garland, or in your terms a looped garland.

I think it's early-ish, just based on the smokey tinted gather, but some of the canes look to be 1940's or more likely 1950's (observations of a novice collector).

Bought at the Queens Hall antiques fair and fleamarket in the early 1990's - possibly the best regular event ever held in Yorkshire, and sadly now departed from the fair calendar - the site is now a car park, but will shortly be a 40-odd storey office/flat complex!! Bought for a reasonable £40.

The close-packed weight was listed on ebayer a year or two ago, and I think you might even have bid!! Thankfully ebay suspended the listing (don't forget to update your fees payment details ever as it can create havoc) and I have seen sence - a good buy for £55 at an antique shop in Ilkley in 2002.