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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: traditionaljazz on July 28, 2009, 10:30:06 PM
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Dear Glass Message Board, I have had this Victorian Pressed Flint Glass Compote for some time. Which seems to date from 1850 to 1860. It is similar to the American Boston and Sandwich compotes of the same period. Is it possable to see any of the designs of English Pressed Flint Glass Compotes of this period. I have done a search on the web for this item but had no luck. Did the American Glass Companys such as Boston and Sandwich imported thier glass products into England during this period. Regards TraditionalJazz.
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Can you post some photos of your compote and we'll see if we can identify it for you? We have a help with pictures topic here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6522.0.html but if you get stuck you can either ask for help or email me copies of pics and I'll resize and add them for you. (For my email address click the wee envelope below my name block to the left of this post.)
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Can you post some photos of your compote and we'll see if we can identify it for you? We have a help with pictures topic here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6522.0.html but if you get stuck you can either ask for help or email me copies of pics and I'll resize and add them for you. (For my email address click the wee envelope below my name block to the left of this post.)
Dear Anne, Thank you for your reply and instuctions. I am sorry that i can not use my camera at the moment. The glass compote is an open one quite small. With quite large diamond pattern. With at the top _--_--_this sort of end like a castle wall with in between round circles.I seem to remember that there was a english pressed glass goblet/rummer with what the pattern was called pineapple. Not the New England Pineapple pattern. The base is domed like the boston and sandwich versions. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Can you post some photos of your compote and we'll see if we can identify it for you? We have a help with pictures topic here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6522.0.html but if you get stuck you can either ask for help or email me copies of pics and I'll resize and add them for you. (For my email address click the wee envelope below my name block to the left of this post.)
Dear Anne, Thank you for your reply and instuctions. I am sorry that i can not use my camera at the moment. The glass compote is an open one quite small. With quite large diamond pattern. With at the top _--_--_this sort of end like a castle wall with in between round circles.I seem to remember that there was a english pressed glass goblet/rummer with what the pattern was called pineapple. Not the New England Pineapple pattern. The base is domed like the boston and sandwich versions. Regards Traditional Jazz.
Dear Everyone at the Glass Message Board, Thank you for viwing my posting. Here is some more details of this Flint Glass Compote. The top is open like a bucket shape with a castlelated top with circles at the top and with circles at the base which is domed and there is a stem. The rest has diamond pattern. Regards TraditionalJazz.
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American Pressed Glass was certainly exported to Britain - one of the earliest Pressed Glass Commemoratives made to mark Victoria's Coronation was made in the US!
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American Pressed Glass was certainly exported to Britain - one of the earliest Pressed Glass Commemoratives made to mark Victoria's Coronation was made in the US!
Dear malwodyn, Thank you for your reply. Yes i forgot about this. This is a glass plate which has the portrait of Queen Victoria and the date 1837 which is illustrated in some books. Regards Tradional Jazz.
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American Pressed Glass was certainly exported to Britain - one of the earliest Pressed Glass Commemoratives made to mark Victoria's Coronation was made in the US!
Dear malwodyn, Thank you for your reply. Yes i forgot about this. This is a glass plate which has the portrait of Queen Victoria and the date 1837 which is illustrated in some books. Regards Tradional Jazz.
Dear Everyone at the Glass Message Board, I have recently found a pressed glass plate which has some of the motifs found on the American Pressed Glass Plate of Queen Victoria and the date 1837. The plate is about 10 inches in diameter and seems to date from around the same period as the above mentioned glass plate and seems to have been manufactured by the Boston and Sandwich company. Also aquired what looks like a very large salt cellar or sugar bowl which has a similar pattern as certain Boston and Sandwich pressed glass of 1840?-1860 period. Which seems to fit in with the above mentioned compote. The sad thing is that there seems to be no information on early pressed glass that was made in england of the probably sometime before 1840 till 1860 period. Regards TraditionalJazz.
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As I said earlier, if you would post some photos of the pieces you'd like to know more about then someone may be able to give you more information. Without images we are working blind, and given the vast amount of different makers and patterns we have no way of which ones you're referring to. If you want us to help you'll have to supply photos.
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As I said earlier, if you would post some photos of the pieces you'd like to know more about then someone may be able to give you more information. Without images we are working blind, and given the vast amount of different makers and patterns we have no way of which ones you're referring to. If you want us to help you'll have to supply photos.
Dear Anne, Thank you for your reply and comments. I am sorry that i can not post photos here at the moment. Altough i do have a digital camera for some reason i can not download photos from the camera. I will probably have to do it via a cd disc. Also i will read the instructions that are on this site. So hopefully at some point i will be posting photos on this particular posting. Sorry for not being able to post photos. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Dear Glass Message Board, I have had this Victorian Pressed Flint Glass Compote for some time. Which seems to date from 1850 to 1860. It is similar to the American Boston and Sandwich compotes of the same period. Is it possable to see any of the designs of English Pressed Flint Glass Compotes of this period. I have done a search on the web for this item but had no luck. Did the American Glass Companys such as Boston and Sandwich imported thier glass products into England during this period. Regards TraditionalJazz.
Dear Glass Message Board, I have recently found another compote in the same pattern. Except that this one has a large bowl as in the usal pressed glass compotes of the victorian era. Also the stem is the same as in the above mentioned compote except it is slightly larger. I have a feeling that the above mentioned compote might be what is called an open sugar bowl. I am sorry about the slight spelling mistakes. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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I have a couple of early sugar and creams from that period, I will put some pictures on later , I always assumed my peces would have been English
Roy
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I have bought and seen a number of EAPG Sandwich salts over the last few years so would assume that it was exported to the UK, I recently bought from a car boot a American lacy plate.
A couple of pictures of what is surely early English pressed glass a sugar bowl and milk jug
Roy
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Hi
I have bought and seen a number of EAPG Sandwich salts over the last few years so would assume that it was exported to the UK, I recently bought from a car boot a American lacy plate.
A couple of pictures of what is surely early English pressed glass a sugar bowl and milk jug
Roy
Dear Roy, Thank you for your reply and photographs. The smaller compote or sugar bowl mentioned in my first posting. It is of similar form to the one in your photograph. Except it has a hollow domed foot and a semi hollow stem. Which can be seen on EAPG glass of about the same period. Also it has a bucket form bowl as in the photograph. Except it has a castlated top with the bulls eye pattern running along the top. This bullseye pattern also runs along the bottom of the domed stand. The rest of the pattern which is on the bowl and stand is of slightly elongated diamonds. There is evidence of English and Irish glass being imported to America from 17th centuary to 19th centuary. It seems that that the Americans possible began importing EAPG glass into England around the time of the 1837 coronation. Maybe because of the glass tax than in operation in England at the time. The Americans continued to import glass into England for some years. The sad part of this is what EAPG and what is early English pressed glass. Information on early English pressed glass from the period c1845-1860 is sadly not available as it seems that the various companys that where manufacturing glass at this time did not issue any catalogues. It whould also seem that if the Americans put out EAPG in a certain pattern. Than the early English pressed glass companys whould copy the design and it is possible that the Americans where doing the same. All that is known of the early English pressed glass of the period c1845-1860 is that it was of a pillar moulded or seems to be similar to cut glass of the period Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Dear Everyone at The Glass Message Board, Thank you for viewing my posting. I have been searching the web for a possable identification of these two compotes. So far i have drawn a complete blank. I have searched through all the Early American Pressed Glass sites for this particular pattern of which i have drawn a complete blank. Here is another description of these compotes. The disign is as follows the large compote has a round bowl which has a castlelated top which has a bulls eye pattern which runs along the top. The rest of the pattern is of a band of Beveled diamonds that goes from small at the bottom to large beveled diamonds towards the top. Also the base has the same pattern upside down with the bulls eyes running along the bottom. There is one chareristic feature about these compotes is that the foot is domed and also the stems are simi hollow as in american pressed glass compotes. I will post photos of these two compotes at some point in the not too far distant future. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Dear Everyone at The Glass Message Board. I have sent a scan of a photo that i took of the Victorian Pressed Flint Glass Compote that started this topic on 28th July 2009. I have not done a photo of the large version of this compote which is mentioned somewhere in this topic. So shortly there should be a photo of this Victorian Pressed Flint Glass Compote. After a few problems of trying to put the image in this topic. :hiclp: :chky: Regards Traditional Jazz.
Moderator: images from TradJazz now added
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Oh no not another posting by Traditional Jazz ::), I have been browsing the webb as you do. Guest what there is a website which seems to be selling a large compote which states that this compote is cut glass. This compote is almost identical in pattern to these two compotes that i have. Instead the one on the website has a slightly different pattern bowl except that the stem and the foot is identical in pattern. This is getting quite curious? Regards Traditional Jazz. PS hopefully this is the link to this compote. http://www.theoxfordteaparty.com/item_1301/Beautiful-Victorian-Heavy-Cut-Glass-Comport.htm
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I think the item in the link is cut glass, certainly the foot and faceted stem,
the pattern is more concise and sharp, your compote is pressed.
Sorry, i dont think they are very close.
Regards Andy
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Hi
I think the item in the link is cut glass, certainly the foot and faceted stem,
the pattern is more concise and sharp, your compote is pressed.
Sorry, i dont think they are very close.
Regards Andy
Dear Andy, Thank you for your reply and comment. If you look carefully at the base of this compote on the left hand side by the stem in The Oxford Tea Party. You will notice a line which seems to be a mold line which appears very strongly in the photo. These lines appear in the same place as the compotes that i have. Also the photo is not very clear as sometimes happens with images on websites. Another point is that i have a small compote which seems to have an identical bowl as this compote although the foot and stem are different somewhat like the one in the photo of the other compote posted by mhgcgolfclub. At some point i am going to post photos of the large compote that i have. Which has been mentioned here. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Dear Everyone at The Glass Message Board, Very shortly there will be photos of the large compote that i have mentioned in this posting before. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Hi all! The comport above is mine, and thank your Trad Jazz for your contact. I can now see that the glass is, in fact, pressed glass not cut - there are two mold lines on the stem. I shall post photos and more info on it later.
(nice to "see" you all again!)
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Hi all! The comport above is mine, and thank your Trad Jazz for your contact. I can now see that the glass is, in fact, pressed glass not cut - there are two mold lines on the stem. I shall post photos and more info on it later.
(nice to "see" you all again!)
Dear Chloe, Thank you for your reply. Looking forward to seeing your photos and info. At some point shortly as already mentioned here there will be photos posted of the large compote that has been mentioned earlier in this posting. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Cut items can be mould blown or even pressed to form the initial shape before they are cut, so with Chole's bowl the question is how is the pattern on the body formed.
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Cut items can be mould blown or even pressed to form the initial shape before they are cut, so with Chole's bowl the question is how is the pattern on the body formed.
Dear Lustrousstone, Thank you for your reply and comments. We all have to wait until the photos of Chole"s Compote and the large Compote that i have mentioned here earlier are posted here. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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:-[ Sorry for typo Chloe
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Dear Everyone at The Glass Message Board, Still waiting for the photo of the large compote that i have already mentioned in this posting earlier to be posted here. As i have already sent the photo off to be posted here. Also still waitng for Chloe"s photos to be posted here. Must be something to do with all this snow about. :sick: I surpose we will all have to wait. :-\ :o :spls:Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Please remember that not everyone visits every day and we all have lives outside the GMB, so patience please.
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OK OK OK already, a gal has a living to earn as well ya know! :P
Pics added below... :thup:
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Please remember that not everyone visits every day and we all have lives outside the GMB, so patience please.
Dear Lustrousstone, Thank you for your reply again and comments. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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OK OK OK already, a gal has a living to earn as well ya know! :P
Pics added below... :thup:
Dear Anne, Thank you again for posting the photos. Very sorry to rush you. :-[ Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Dear Everyone at The Glass Message Board, Another further observation. I have a small compote whose pattern seems to be identical to the compote shown at The Oxford Tea Party except that the only similaties are in the bowls of these two compotes. The foot on the small compote that i have is similar to the Molineux and Webb Greek Key pattern compotes. Also the compote that i have seems to have been made in a eight part mould. Which i would think that this was made around 1845 to 1855 period. As later compotes seemed to be made in four part, three part and two part moulds. Still waiting for photos from Chloe. Regards Tradional Jazz.
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Hi Jazz,
I would be interested to see a photo of anything that might be Molineaux & Webb, particularly with a Greek Key pattern as they used it a lot. I have been following the photos on this thread, and comparing them against some images I have from the Molineaux & Webb pattern book. Your images so far do not look close to items in the pattern book, but the Oxford Tea Party item comes pretty close to some designs in the "Centre Stands" section of the book. This would also suggest the date for the Oxford item, at least, is around mid 1850s.
Neil
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Hi Jazz,
I would be interested to see a photo of anything that might be Molineaux & Webb, particularly with a Greek Key pattern as they used it a lot. I have been following the photos on this thread, and comparing them against some images I have from the Molineaux & Webb pattern book. Your images so far do not look close to items in the pattern book, but the Oxford Tea Party item comes pretty close to some designs in the "Centre Stands" section of the book. This would also suggest the date for the Oxford item, at least, is around mid 1850s.
Neil
Dear Neilh, Thank you for your reply and comments. I will reply more fully at some point shortly. :spls: Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Hi Jazz,
I would be interested to see a photo of anything that might be Molineaux & Webb, particularly with a Greek Key pattern as they used it a lot. I have been following the photos on this thread, and comparing them against some images I have from the Molineaux & Webb pattern book. Your images so far do not look close to items in the pattern book, but the Oxford Tea Party item comes pretty close to some designs in the "Centre Stands" section of the book. This would also suggest the date for the Oxford item, at least, is around mid 1850s.
Neil
Dear Neilh, Thank you for your reply and surprising information.This is another observation. I have noticed that on this website. Genesis of Molineux and Webb. There is a celery vase in the greek key pattern that predates the 1865 celery vase which seems to date from 1860 this has a domed foot. I have noticed that there is a compote and another celery vase with hollow stem. The other observation is that the stem which are on the two compotes that i have. This shape seems to appear on a few molineux and webb items. Also on this website there is a green candle stick which seems to date from an earlier period. This has what seems to be a domed foot of sorts. Where there any other firms that did hollow stems and domed foot. Also it it possible to scan the page from the pattern book that you mentioned and post it on here. Still no news from Chloe of photos of the compote. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Dear neilh, Another observation the Green Candlestick which i have mentioned above. The domed foot of this seems to be the same shape/form as the small compote that i have. Also there seems to be some sort of bullseye decoration on this candle stick domed base. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Hi Jazz,
I have yet to draw any conclusions on what may or may not be Molineaux & Webb from looking at foot & stems. All I can say is that if it mid Victorian and frosted, M&W is a possibility for comports and celery vases. About 10% of their patterns used a variation of the Greek Key. Really needs a photo to form a view...
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Hi Jazz,
I have yet to draw any conclusions on what may or may not be Molineaux & Webb from looking at foot & stems. All I can say is that if it mid Victorian and frosted, M&W is a possibility for comports and celery vases. About 10% of their patterns used a variation of the Greek Key. Really needs a photo to form a view...
Dear Neilh, Thank you for your reply again and comments. I think threre is some cross wires here. I do have some greek key items. Which are already in various books. What i was pointing out is what you mentioned in your first reply about the the oxford tea party compote and the two that i have posted on here. That the oxford tea party compote showed some similarties to centre stands in the M&W pattern book. Which somehow open my eyes to the following. I was pointing out the similarties of M&W stems, domed feet and the domed foot of the green candlestick. That there seems to be some sort of similaties to the two compotes that i have posted on here. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Dear Everyone at the Glass Message Board, If you see page 174 of The Art Journal Illustrated Catalogue of The Industries of All Nations 1851. There is an engraving of three compotes. Which are sitting on top of one another like a cake stand. The top one is of the same form as the small compote that i have which is being discussed here. This book described this item as an etagerer or in english a desert service. With this set was what they called a flower vase what looks like a celery vase form. In the book this is also described as cut glass by Apsley Pellatt and co London. The illustration in the book the pattern does not match the pattern of these two compotes discussed here. Although they are of the same form. I have had a look at the base of the small compote. I have noticed a u shaped end of the domed foot. I dont think it has been ground down as you see in other items of early pressed glass. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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sorry for the delay - here are the photos. Measurements are 9 inches diametre to top, 6 1/2 inches high, 4 6/8 inches height of base, 4 5/8 inches diametre across base
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sorry for the delay - here are the photos. Measurements are 9 inches diametre to top, 6 1/2 inches high, 4 6/8 inches height of base, 4 5/8 inches diametre across base
Dear Chloe, Thank you for your reply and for posting the photos here and measurements. I have a small compote whose photo is not posted here. The small compote bowl does seem to match the same design as the one you have here. I have since found out what these compotes that are being discussed here are. Which i will described my findings at some point later. Also i will post photos of the other small compote that i have at some point. Regards Tradiitonal Jazz.
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Dear Everyone at The Glass Message Board, I have since found out what these two compotes are. If you see page 174 of The Art Journal Illustated Catalouge of The Industries of All Nations 1851 there is an engraving of a three tier compote which i have already mentioned here. Which in this book this is called a etagerer or in english a desert service. The one illustated is mentioned to be of cut glass. Which was made by Aspley Pellatt. In a much earlier period this was called a tazza. So now what these compotes are for is a desert service like the one illustrated in the above mentioned book. Except that the three being discussed here are of pressed glass. Which i think where made around the period 1850 to about 1855. It is possable to have been made by Molineux and Webb or Molineux and Company. It is also mentioned in this book that this particular company was turning out something like 15 tons or was it 25 tons of flint glass a week. So presumly flint glass could have been pressed glass. Also if you see this website www.patternglass.com/store/CakeStands/index.htm These are called cake stands here but are of a slightly different form. Please note the bucket shaped item sitting at the top of these cake stands. Also these are American and date from around 1880"s . Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Dear Everyone At The Glass Message Board. I am now going to post some photos of the small compote which has the same pattern bowl as The Oxford Tea Party. I am sorry for taking my time to post these photos. Regards Traditional Jazz.
Mod: Images added for you now. :)
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Hi Jazz,
I would be interested to see a photo of anything that might be Molineaux & Webb, particularly with a Greek Key pattern as they used it a lot. I have been following the photos on this thread, and comparing them against some images I have from the Molineaux & Webb pattern book. Your images so far do not look close to items in the pattern book, but the Oxford Tea Party item comes pretty close to some designs in the "Centre Stands" section of the book. This would also suggest the date for the Oxford item, at least, is around mid 1850s.
Neil
Dear neih, I have since found out that you are running the Gensis Of Molineux And Webb website. I have recently posted a photo of the small compote that i have. The pattern does match the Oxford Tea Party compote. Do you have anymore information on the following quote by yourself "but the Oxford Tea Party item comes pretty close to some designs in the "Centre Stands" section of the book" Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Hi Jazz,
The pattern book has a number of comports / centre stands from the 1850s. Most of them look quite heavy with a thick stem. The majority of the centre stands are shown with the top detached, and are probably showing an upside down comport with a dish balanced on it. A couple show frosted designs but the majority have cutting in the same ballpark as the photos in this thread - it just so happens that the Oxford Tea Party one looks a little closer to the style. I have yet to see any examples of these 1850s pieces which I would say might be Molineaux & Webb. There is however, one shown on page 27 of the 1978 book "Victorian Table Glass and Ornaments" by Barbara Morris, which is captioned as probably by Molineaux & Webb.
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Hi Jazz,
The pattern book has a number of comports / centre stands from the 1850s. Most of them look quite heavy with a thick stem. The majority of the centre stands are shown with the top detached, and are probably showing an upside down comport with a dish balanced on it. A couple show frosted designs but the majority have cutting in the same ballpark as the photos in this thread - it just so happens that the Oxford Tea Party one looks a little closer to the style. I have yet to see any examples of these 1850s pieces which I would say might be Molineaux & Webb. There is however, one shown on page 27 of the 1978 book "Victorian Table Glass and Ornaments" by Barbara Morris, which is captioned as probably by Molineaux & Webb.
Dear neilh, Thank you for your reply and comments and also details of Victorian Table Glass and Ornaments by Barbara Morris which i will follow up on. Good Luck with Molineux and Webb. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Hi Jazz,
The pattern book has a number of comports / centre stands from the 1850s. Most of them look quite heavy with a thick stem. The majority of the centre stands are shown with the top detached, and are probably showing an upside down comport with a dish balanced on it. A couple show frosted designs but the majority have cutting in the same ballpark as the photos in this thread - it just so happens that the Oxford Tea Party one looks a little closer to the style. I have yet to see any examples of these 1850s pieces which I would say might be Molineaux & Webb. There is however, one shown on page 27 of the 1978 book "Victorian Table Glass and Ornaments" by Barbara Morris, which is captioned as probably by Molineaux & Webb.
Dear neilh, Thank you for your reply and comments and also details of Victorian Table Glass and Ornaments by Barbara Morris which i will follow up on. Good Luck with Molineux and Webb. Regards Traditional Jazz.
Dear neih, I have managed to find a copy of this book. The photograph is not all that clear. But this version is similar except that it seems to have some sort of frosting. Also the books does not give a full description of this item only a very brief description "probably by molineux and webb". Regards Traditional Jazz
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Dear Everyone at the Glass Message Board. I have recently found a large oval dish which has the same pattern as The Oxford Tea Party compote. At first i thought that the outside of this dish was badly scratched for some reason. On closer inspection it turns out to be somewhat pitted all over. Something to do with the manufacturing process. I think at the time that these items where made. That they must have had problems making large items such as this dish. The only scratched area seems to be inside. Which probably made me think that this item bas badly scratched. I will be posting photos of this oval dish at some point shortly. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Dear Everyone at the Glass Message Board, Yet more developments this this glass saga. I have recently been through the design regestrations in the hope that there might be something there. There are two patterns which seemed to match. One is by Edward Bolton and the other is James Couper. This will take a while to sort out the most likely candidcate????. Also shortly i will be posting photos of the oval dish. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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I'm not sure Couper made pressed glass.
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I'm not sure Couper made pressed glass.
Dear Lustrosstone, Thank you for your reply again and comment. Couper did a pressed glass design as i have seen the drawing with my own eyes. This will take about a week to sort this out. Which by than i will have more details to add about couper and bolton and a possible identification for the pressed flint glass discussed here. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Dear Everyone at the Glass Message Board. I have recently found a large oval dish which has the same pattern as The Oxford Tea Party compote. At first i thought that the outside of this dish was badly scratched for some reason. On closer inspection it turns out to be somewhat pitted all over. Something to do with the manufacturing process. I think at the time that these items where made. That they must have had problems making large items such as this dish. The only scratched area seems to be inside. Which probably made me think that this item bas badly scratched. I will be posting photos of this oval dish at some point shortly. Regards Traditional Jazz.
Dear Everyone at the Glass Message Board, Following this will be photos of the glass dish discussed above. Regards Traditional Jazz.
Mod: pics added for you :)
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Dear Everyone At The Glass Message Board, Happy Christmas And A Happy New Year With Best Wishes From Traditional Jazz :fc:. Some time back i have found this large bowl which is round and it seems to have the same pattern and shape as The Oxford Tea Party Compote and the other small compote which there are photos of these two items in this posting. The size of this bowl is about Twelve inches in diameter. There cant be that many of this item around because of its size presumly being broken over the years. I will at some pont post photos of this item which relates to the Victorian Pressed Flint Glass Compote that is being discussed here. Regards Traditional Jazz. :sg:
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Dear Everyone At The Glass Message Board, Happy Christmas And A Happy New Year With Best Wishes From Traditional Jazz :fc:. Some time back i have found this large bowl which is round and it seems to have the same pattern and shape as The Oxford Tea Party Compote and the other small compote which there are photos of these two items in this posting. The size of this bowl is about Twelve inches in diameter. There cant be that many of this item around because of its size presumly being broken over the years. I will at some pont post photos of this item which relates to the Victorian Pressed Flint Glass Compote that is being discussed here. Regards Traditional Jazz. :sg:
Dear Everyone At The Glass Message Board, Happy New Year. Very shortly there will be photos of this large bowl posted here. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Happy New Year to you, too!
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Is this thread still going? It will outlive us all I think. But it's good that Mr Jazz has kicked it into life again as I now think I know what his oval dish is (the photos posted back in June). It looks like a match to the Percival Vickers "Grosvenor" tableware set, which can be seen in full in their 1881 pressed glass catalogue. They produced the oval bowl in sizes: 5,6,7,8,9,10,11 inches.
I mention the full set briefly here where I lump it with their Jersey set:
http://sites.google.com/site/molwebbhistory/Home/registered-designs/percival-vickers-unregistered-pressed-glass
Looking back through the other images on this thread, the item photographed on Jan 5th 2010 is a bang on match for a "basin" from the Percival Vickers Jersey set.
The other photos I am less sure about.
Jazz, could I have permission to put your photos from the Jersey & Grosvenor sets on my website (with attribution)? I have been looking for an example from these sets for a while.
You are welcome to contact me through the email link on the following page
http://sites.google.com/site/molwebbhistory/Home/contact---updates
and I will send you the relevant pages from the Percival Vickers catalogue so you can make up your own mind. The images are copyright from a research library so they cannot be posted publically.
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Jazz's pics attached for him...
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Frustratingly this does not quite match any of the Manchester patterns but is so close you'd have to suspect either Molineaux Webb or Percival Vickers here. On first glance it looks very like the others on this thread, with circular or oval facets and two rows of diamonds, but the difference is in the top edge of the items.
The Grosvenor set has a spiky top edge. The Jersey set has a top edge which is level as though it has been snapped off. The one in this photo has a wavy top edge.
The Percival Vickers Colonial set has a wavy edge like this but the body of that pattern is all diamonds and no facets. Molineaux Webb did a pattern which matches that in these photos but I've only seen it on a sugar bowl and can't prove it was ever used on a dish.
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Happy New Year to you, too!
Dear Everyone at The Glass Message Board. Happy New Year. I am sorry that i have not replied to the new comments since 1st January. :phew: I will reply to these as soon as is possible. Happy New Year to you Cathy. Regards Traditional Jazz.