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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on April 02, 2014, 09:49:03 PM
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In view of the lack of available book information on this subject, thought it would be useful to show colours used by this factory, with the aim that members might add others not included in this initial effort. Again, in view of the poor book coverage of the factory, it would be useful to provide images of the many shapes associated with these colours - but the colours might come first, followed by the two tone pieces perhaps.
I've shown the recognized colour name where known - invented others, which obviously can be changed if someone can provide the right one - and in the interests of simplicity have steered clear for the time being of including the pattern name i.e. Venetian Ripple, horizontal wave etc.
As to be expected, certain colours predominate and from my own experience sunshine amber is perhaps at or near the top of the list,followed by one of the ambers, and for others this may well depend on where people live.
I may have misunderstood the books, but I'd assumed it was only sunshine amber in the Gay Glass range that fluoresced, but assuming I have my greens correct, then evergreen also glows.
For some reason I appear not to have seen the Gay Glass spring (eau-de-nil), nor the green from the Bristol Blue range produced during the 1970's or the ruby used in the Flair pieces.
Just for the sake of mentioning it, the Gay Glass range did include clear pieces - whether for all of the patterns or only some I'm note sure - and other patterns were made in clear, but how extensively I've no idea.
Pieces shown are either backstamped or known patterns from this factory.
Feel free to comment in whatever way, and hope people will add those missing colours I've mentioned. :)
P.S. to be continued ........
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some more............
there is a decided difference - in the flesh - between the two ambers shown here.
Whether there really is a difference between sunshine amber and the other large similar coloured vase, I'm not sure. The vase is thicker and in the flesh appears decidedly darker than the smaller pieces - but at the end of the day they may all be classified as Gay Glass sunshine amber. They all fluoresce very well, although the rims of the small pieces show green in ordinary daylight (even in the picture I think) whereas the vase does not show this effect. So, people's opinions please.
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and finally the greens.......
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just one more... this is what I've called 'new amethyst', from the Bristol Blue Range in the 1970's - it's noticeably different from the earlier more common colour of the same name.
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Well done!
There is also an amethyst in the later range (beat me to it), and regarding the Flair range: Ruby (I have a bowl in this colour), Green, Amber, Teal, Blue.
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Here's two links:
The Ruby Bowl (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,34037.msg185070.html#msg185070)
The Bullseye range (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,30912.msg167701.html#msg167701)
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thanks David - hopefully we shall have all of the colours quite soon :)
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meant to add............ am sure Christine will have a piece of Gay Glass spring :)
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All uranium
Spring green
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=528
Sunshine amber
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=528
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1802
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1039
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=2085
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1318
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1758
Alexandrite
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1780
Burmese
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=992
An early amber uranium
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1768
And what I believe to be Lemonescent (though other might disagree)
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1
Evergreen (sue's pic)
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thanks for adding all of those, and having now seen your Spring it occurs to me it appears to be the same as my piece which I've called light green - so perhaps the caption on my pic should be changed.
Look forward to seeing a piece of green from the 'Bristol Blue' range, from someone.
Perhaps we'll give it a day or so, and we might then start to add the two tone examples. :)
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Look forward to seeing a piece of green from the 'Bristol Blue' range, from someone.]Look forward to seeing a piece of green from the 'Bristol Blue' range, from someone.
Unsurprisingly it was called 'Bristol Green' ;)
But I thought Keith had a piece of this?
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If you still have your light green, test it under UV. My Spring green is definitely uranium but a non-U version might point to a later period
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As per the caption, my light green pieces do glow well :). I had confused myself - not difficult - by looking at the CH reproduction of the factory catalogue showing Spring - which looks rather different to what you see in the flesh. However, think you've answered the question, insofar as my light green is indeed Spring.
Unfortunately, the author's caption to this catalogue page is keen to mention that sunshine amber is loaded with uranium, but makes no mention of this aspect when speaking of evergreen and spring.
So, we're waiting on Keith then for Bristol green ;D
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Had a bit of trouble getting the colour right on the green jug but a bit of help from the 'gimp' programme helped, ;D ;D , couple more to follow....
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..few more, ;D
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thanks Keith - I always said you lived in a castle. ;) do like that lilac Flair vase. :)
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Great thread thanks. :)
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Could do with the space you'd get in a castle, just think how much more glass you could get ! :o ;D ;D
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The lilac Flair vase is likely to be neodymium (the one I had was).
John
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That's right John, lilac during the day and pale blue under electric light, ;D
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Don't forget the Coronation Range which came in two colour combinations. Clear/Amber(see photo 1) and much harder to find clear/black ( have piece - yet to photo it.)
Also a "Bristol Green" decanter (see photo 2) which is much greener then that photo. Actually very similar to the colour of Holmegaard's Greenland range.
Clear Bullseye Bowl (photo 3)
I forgot I took the Black base style of Coronation wine glass.
Ross
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a big thanks to all contributors so far - this should hopefully prove a very useful reference source for T/Webb. :)
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Colour variation in amethyst, large bowl 11.5 inches smaller bowl 7.5, ;D
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another two tone piece - a bright yellow/uranium foot with clear upper part - presumably a vase.
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an unusual shaped stem vase - I assume - no doubt as to its provenance in view of the backstamp, which is the same as pieces from the Flair range.
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The last is from the Flair range. Webb made several clear pieces and I have one similar to this but with a beaked top, plus a double bud vase.
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thanks for the confirmation - I wasn't sure in view of the lack of bubbles in the foot - I've not seen it, I don't think, in any of the books.
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attached are a pair of green uranium bowl goblets - plus finger bowl and what looks like a desert dish (?) in old English bullseye pattern - all with backstamp. The last two are possibly sunshine amber, are quite thin and produce a great ring.
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some of the bowls are quite substantial in size - these two measure something like 11.75" and 9.25" respectively - across the rim.
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water set in horizontal wave pattern/sunshine amber.
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Couple more whoppers,11.75 high and the bowl 12,25 across, ;D ;D
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Hi Keith - I just didn't realize the size of some of this factory's pieces - yesterday I saw some very tall vases patterned with those oval shaped slightly indented lenses. I'm beginning to think their range was almost limitless :)
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Lots I think, few more here... ;D
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I've not seen this plate elsewhere - in fact I don't know if the factory did plates as a general rule - but it's attractive - I did post it some two or three years back.
The design - created entirely on the underside - has been cut to clear, but not entirely sure how the 'hammered' effect was produced - it might have been the result of a mould process, but not sure. The surface texture of each hammered blob is very grainy/gritty, but quite bright and shiny. There isn't any sign of a a pontil scar or depression.
Diameter is about 7.75" (200 mm), and the factory backstamp is what the books describe as c. 1935 - 49, the small fully circular one.
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Very nice, can't see I've seen a Webb plate before, just about everything else though, ::) ;D ;D
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No plates in the 77 catalogue I digitised. Cannot access the earlier catalogues (30s and 1957) right now but they do state tableware as one of their products so plates should be there! Glanced at all the Webb material I have digitised but no plates. Did notice Duroven (Their Pyrex version) in 1949, quite distinctive designs in opaque 'Snow White'.
Unmarked cameo plate here http://www.1stdibs.com/creators/thomas-webb-and-sons/furniture/
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I wasn't seeing mine as 'tableware' in the usual sense of the word - I'd always thought it looked too decorative to be that, but fashions and tastes change so who knows - makes me think of a Celtic cross.
In fact thinking back now, don't believe it was me that showed the plate originally - it was posted by a woman from one of the charity shops, who had been given three, I think, and she was asking for some information so that they could be sold with at least an approximate date and some details about the maker.
So I emailed and asked if I might buy one, to which she agreed - think now I should have bought all that she had - from the comments so far plates may well be less common than we thought.
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Noticed the comment about how big some Webb items are. I have this "magnum" decanter which I assume would cope with two full bottles. It is huge. The stopper is bigger and heavier than most perfumes. The engraving is of what I assume to be J-class yachts.
Ross
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Hi,
This may be of interest.............. mention of colours. http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,57285.msg324576.html#msg324576
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An interesting bowl in blue/clear with controlled bubbles.
eBay
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Hi Ross, that's fine by me. If it contributes to a glass data base / resource, that can be only good for glass collectors. Take care and thanks for your interest.
Regards Chris.
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YOU:
I belong to a great resource called the Glass Message Board - if you don't know it it's free and very worthwhile for a glass lover to join - simply Google it.
One of the projects is to collect examples of coloured Webb Crystal. There are none like your and I would like permission(which is required by GMB rules) to publish your photos onto the Board.
Thanks in anticipation, Ross.
PS. I have lots of Webb myself but your piece is too large for what I want to collect. Sorry.
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I have taken some more photos that may be of interest.
#1 A yellow decanter
#2 A Black Coronation decanter - got 3 goblets as well.
#3 An amber bullseye decanter and glasses
#4 The Bristol Green decanter nearly correct colour.
Ross
PS. Enquiring about a possible addition to my Black Coronation glass a dealer indicated he was fairly sure he had seen a Red/Clear version as well. Would really love to see one.
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Finally what I call an Obelisk vase - similar to the bowl I posted earlier - but mine.
Ross
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Wonder if that is part of the Webb 'Flair' range, they did some odd shapes... ;D
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I think it probably is Keith. It has the bubbles and the blue of the dish I posted earlier(with permission).
Ross
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I think this vase is the same pattern as Keiths bowl.
9" tall, top 7", 5" at the base.
Very green response from uv lamp.
Tim
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Another Flair 'Haze' bowl, no bubbles ;D 10.5 inches across.
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I've only just found this post. This is a 9" vase? similar to the one on P.3 but all in yellow. Do you think it is also a T/Webb piece? It has a bit of wear on the foot but doesn't seem to have much age. Regards NevB.
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It's a beer glass, not a vase, as it has a safety rim. I would say not Webb as it's the wrong shade or yellow
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I see what you mean Christine it looks like others being sold as "pilsner glasses". I've added another photo which I've enhanced to show the intensity of colour when you get when viewing from above.
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Some of the colours thus far can be associated with a specific factory name, but some remain elusive as to what - one hundred or more years back - Thoms Webb actually called them - presumably someone, somewhere, had a colour chart and could say to the gaffer please make a dozen vases in Pomona Green, Amherst, Carnation or Plum etc. etc., and he knew what was being asked for. Additions, to this thread, of new colours, are now infrequent. The variety of colours we've posted so far rather belies the range of hues that Webb could, and probably did, apparently make - looking in Hajdamach's Appendix 7 ('British Glass 1800 - 1914'), the list of colours takes some believing but no reason we should doubt how extensive it was during the period 1840 - 1898. Wonder what Oriental looked like. We've no idea of course how many of these colours made it into the C20 - possible not as many as we might imagine.
I've no idea as to how Thomas Webb listed the colour of the cocktail glass now attached - from the list in Hajdamach mentioned above - it might be Peach, Opalescent Pink, Salmon, Pink - or of course this one may never have been a C19 colour, and might well have been a later C20 invention. Anyway, for what it's worth here it is - it's a sort of honey cum pinkish citrine - ahh, that's not on the list. ;) The first picture is way off on colour, but is more for the surface pattern which I'm told is likely to be Pineapple.