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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: antiquerose123 on December 11, 2007, 09:08:18 AM
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Hi, I just bought this Glass Pelican. Is it Murano, or not? (the M word) or any other word (be nice....lol). Just thought it was pretty. Can anyone help? Sorry for the poor photos...need better camera.
Also, should I try under a black light as I have read that sometimes (if not the M word) and something other, try under black light, as colors could change....just a thought.... :spls:
(Have my fingers possibly crossed...) :-\
Thanks in advance
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Oh, not if it matters, but this is a very solid, heavy piece......I like it....
I (think) it is a Pelican (?) or could it be another animal ? Swan ? I do not know....I thought maybe a Pelican cuz the beak is big....
Modify/Add: Just found this site: http://www.davidcarrera-int.com/murano%20animals%20&%20birds%20&%20fish.htm
Shows a Pelican here .... so maybe mine is not a Pelican.....a swan maybe...(?)
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Hi,
It could be FM (Färe-Marcolin).
The colours and the shape look like FM Konstglas, Ronneby. I have several objects in this colour combination.
What is the base like? Could you please add a picture? Thanks!
Please also see http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=572
regards,
Ingela
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Hi, It could be FM (Färe-Marcolin). The colours and the shape look like FM Konstglas, Ronneby. I have several objects in this colour combination. What is the base like? Could you please add a picture? Thanks! Please also see http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=572
regards, Ingela
thanks Ingela...
Here is the base (along with a pic of my beautiful hand...lol).
What do you think? They do look similar....but I am merely a *Newbie*. IF SO, do you know what this is suppose to be for an bird? Do you have a age for this.....of the glass...(not my hand) lol
IF SO...how do they compare (value) against Murano glass for objects of the same (similar) design? And are these the ones that *change* under a black light....
Any info most welcome :chky:
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Doesn't look to me as if your birdie is going to change colour under UV light
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Wow, looks like Ingela nailed it. Good job!
Shannon
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So the base confirms it that it is FM (Färe-Marcolin).
Hi, It could be FM (Färe-Marcolin). The colours and the shape look like FM Konstglas, Ronneby. I have several objects in this colour combination. What is the base like? Could you please add a picture? Thanks!
Ingela
And then, how do these compare to Murano glass as in value, investment, and as a collectible. Are these sought after at all. Would anyone know approx year were they made ?
I hate to ask a value but....I am just wondering *a ball-park* figure of what these range at, in compare to what I paid for it.... :-\ And I guess that would be an interesting reference tool for anyone else whom might have this maker, or comes onto the GMB board when researching. I know nothing of this, and it would be just interesting to get some info in that nature....ball-park range for those that have these items, or considering collecting, or starting to collect. Is demand there for these?
I have *googled* that name, and read somewhere it said that the colors will change under different lighting (Eg. Daylight and artifical light). How many different color variatiable are there. Like I mean, it is only the blue that will change colors.....or something like that?
Sorry for any stupid guestions :spls2:
One more stupid question.....What type of bird is this suppose to be......
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I would say the style, quality, and motif confirm the attribution. As for value, all I know are the ebay values and they vary wildly, but the average is not great. This glass is not widely known, and therefor not widely collected. I really like it though, so when I see them for cheap, I snap them up! Once in a while I see an FM piece sell pretty well on ebay, but if it were me, I would rather put it in a store (virtual or B&M), because in my opinion ebay sales don't reflect the true values of these pieces. If you want to search completed items try searching for keywords FM glass, Ronneby, or Marcolin.
Shannon
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This glass is not widely known, and therefor not widely collected. I really like it though, so when I see them for cheap, I snap them up! Shannon
Thanks Shannon...
I guess if any of us find one of these types.....we too, should *SNAP* them up if they are not widely known, or widely collected....
As time goes on, I would imagine they will become more collectilbe.....So lets Snap, Snap them up....lol
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So true! Here's my small collection:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/shandiane78/fmfish.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/shandiane78/fmbirdsbowl.jpg)
Shannon
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:hiclp: Yours are beautiful....
You know -- IF I saw these, I would have thought Murano...Honesty. I am a newbie, but to me the quality, and the flow would honesty make me think that they were Murano. I wonder if anyone else would think that?
These are so beautiful....they deserve there own special heading here on GMB (own topic page), just like Murano glass has, in my opinion.....or is there one since I thought even mine (might) be Murano glass.
IF these (at least to me - as a newbie) look like Murano glass.....why would there not be a seperate page just dedicated to these in order to show this maker design, and to help people identify FM verus Murano....I am just a regular person, and this are just look SO beautiful....its like to me, a new hot collectible IF not much is known by regular people about them (shapes, styles, items, flow)....
It is just a (silly? but valid) suggestion....
Thanks shandiane ;)
Oh, and what is the years these were made by FM, and what it the origin again...
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Hi Rose, Ronneby Marcolin comes under Scandinavian Glass, so confirmed items can be moved over to the Scandi forum. :)
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thanks Anne.
So me, and my *bird* are moving there then? lol
thanks
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It's a suggested Ronneby attribution still I think, Rose, so we'll leave it here pro temps. Perhaps someone will produce a labelled one or a catalogue to confirm at some time. :)
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It is worth noting, as Ingela and I have found out, that there are some V.Nason (Murano) pieces that are very similar to FM Konstglas. We are talking shape, design, style and even the internal (sommerso) effects used by both companies.
We came to the conclusion that there could have been some 'cross-pollination' of designs and ideas between the two factories. Many FM pieces are signed (but not all) and most Nason is labelled (only a few are signed). Some pieces have neither mark nor label and can probably only be distinguished by the tools used to pull and pinch the glass, or subtle differences between the sommerso effects.
Did the Marcolin brothers ever collaborate with Nason, possibly in the 1990s?
Unfortunately, Ingela has most of the FM pieces, and I have most of the Nason ones! ;)
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Hi antiquerose123,
V. Nason, Murano, have as already mentioned a very similar style to FM but I do
not know if they have ever used this colour combination?
If your bird is FM, which I believe it is, then I would date it from mid
1960's to mid 1970's.
-FM Konstglas was founded in 1961 by two Italian brothers who had come to
Sweden in 1954. Josef and Benito Marcolin. They started in Eneryda
(Sweden) but quite soon moved production to Ronneby (Sweden).
- Josef and Benito Marcolin grew up in Murano and are both trained in the
Murano technique.
- Josef's and Benito's brother-in-law is Aure (Aureliano) Toso who also moved
to Ronneby to work at FM.
- Josef Marcolin was married to Inga-Lill Färe, thus the company name
Färe-Marcolin.
- The company name changed from FM Konstglas to FM Marcolin Art Crystal in
the early 1980's. In the late 1980's they dropped FM and the company name
was then Marcolin Art Crystal.
- They closed down in Ronneby in 1991.
I have some Webshots albums with lots of FM photos:
http://community.webshots.com/user/gimnyr
Marcolin Art Crystal:
http://www.marcolinartcrystal.com
I do not think your bird is a swan. It looks more like a pelican ... ;) ...and I think it is lovely!
Ingela
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So true! Here's my small collection:
Shannon
Hi Shannon,
Lovely collection!
Do all the objects have a FM label and/or inscription?
Just curious!
Ingela
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I'll have to double check, but I think the gray bird is the only one without a label or signature, so I suppose it could be Nason. I saw a fish on ebay that was actually signed Marcolin Italy! Do you think this would have been made before the move to Sweden, or do you think it's more likely a later creation? If he came back to Murano at some point, that might explain the cross pollination of styles and techniques. Here's the Marcolin Italy piece I saw:
http://tinyurl.com/2uy4zm
Shannon
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Getting an error on that URL, Shannon.
With so few FM Konstglas pieces around that are unsigned, it is reasonable to assume that one with a blank base is Nason. But that's all it can be: an assumption until compared with known (labelled/signed) pieces employing the same techniques.
FM pieces can also be cross-referenced with known pattern numbers.
V. Nason, Murano, have as already mentioned a very similar style to FM but I do not know if they have ever used this colour combination?
You have the greater expertise on FM, but I was just explaining in general about the similarities between the two makes.
Josef's and Benito's brother-in-law is Aure (Aureliano) Toso who also moved
to Ronneby to work at FM.
Hmm, I wonder if it was Toso who pollinated the style to Nason? But it is recorded in Ivo's book, Miller's Glass Fact File A-Z, that the Marcolin brothers did work in Sardinia 1994/5, before retiring. However, I think they moved back to Venice/Murano and worked there for a short time, possibly as advisors (to Nason?) In fact, I think they are still working in Murano.
Ingela, Ivo records the Marcolin Brothers as having their own company from 1961 to 1994.
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Trying again with the link:
http://tinyurl.com/3agy78
Shannon
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Thanks, the direct eBay link is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290188508837
Very strange, but I suppose it does support the fact that the Marcolins did carry on working in Italy (not specifically Murano!), after 1994.
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I'll have to double check, but I think the gray bird is the only one without a label or signature, so I suppose it could be Nason.
Shannon
Hi Shannon,
It was the grey bird I was wondering about! It does not quite look like FM to me. I would have guessed V. Nason but it is difficult to know for sure.
Does your green fish have a label? This one is definately FM! Just curious as this could be from the early 1960's!
Ingela
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Thanks Ingela! Looks like I do have at least one Nason item in there. :-)
For some reason I thought the green fish was signed, but I just checked, and it is not. It doesn't have a sticker either, so I'm glad to know it is really FM Konstglas.
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It is not yet Xmas morn here yet to know if :st: bought me a better camera.....
If he does, I will then re-take some photos that will be hopefully better quality in this most interesting discussion here. As I noted someone had mentioned something about the way the glass was worked. So IF I have a new camera, I will re-post new pics to see if that helps whether it is FM piece, or Murano (Nason) piece.
This is one Pelican that has really *rippled* his own water......lol
This is a truly interesting topic my Pelican has started here.... ;) and I too, am interested in knowing if it at all can be ruled one way or the other.....Thanks to everyone knowledge here in helping to figure this out :chky:
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Yes Santa brought me a new camera. Hopefully better than the camera/phone I have been using.
Let me know if these are better photos now...
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These are OK, but if you want some hints on taking photos, try visiting my other web site: www.glassyeye.com and click the Photos & Imagery link.
Particularly: if you have a 'macro' setting (almost certainly - look for 'tulip' icon) this can allow you to get closer to the object, for more detailed shots.
Lastly, there is a small section on how to edit the photos to improve the appearance.
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Thanks David E. This *new* camera was not a big expensive camera....just a HP. Anything has to be better than the camera/phone I was using...
I will continue to try to take better photos with a Digital.
Sad part of the whole story is that years ago, I won numerous awards for my photography. That was with SLR (Pentax K-1000)....not a digital camera. I have about 30 ribbons, and also was the Provincial Showcase Champion twice here for photography. I use to do scenic pic, black and white, lightening, horizons, etc....but that was like 30 years ago....so I am only learning to take glass pic as something new......and will try better
I once had a eye for photos by my awards......but truly different subject matter now :-\ :'(
Thanks...I will slowly learn. Enjoyed your site :clap:
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Here is just a new closer pix of mine with new camera.....better?...
Added this for Reference/comparsion:
Found this under Ebay live Auctions 300189677693. It is described as "Murano Glass Duck #1972434". Just thought I would post here.....IF that is OK
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and here is a pix of the close-up head shot of my bird (a Pelican???)....
*The heads design/flow of mine, and the one at E-bay live auction -- do they look similar....or am I in left field ?
Sorry was too late to add into post above :spls: