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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: amoilvetro on June 25, 2005, 12:32:38 PM
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Hi there
Just wondering if anyone else collects fazzoletto vases? I am just starting out, am in the process of purchasing a gorgeous white and green latticimo/zanfirico piece - quite excited! :)
Cheers
Amanda.
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do Venini fazzolettos all have a smooth base? I saw one on eBay with what I think is a pontil mark... its slightly recessed... kind of like a bellybutton? lol
Amanda.
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Venini fazzolettos always have either a flat polished base, or an indented polished pontil. They will never have a rough pontil mark or a rounded base.
Laura
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Hi Laura
Thanks for that info. I think sometimes that I might have bitten off more than I can chew by starting out on fazzolettos! *lol*
Will try and post a pic of my new purchase soon.
Cheers
Amanda.
ps. Laura, you have a really nice website - love your photos - how do you photograph them? I want to take some really good ones for insurance purposes... might have to hire a professional to take them for me!
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Hi Amanda,
Regarding photos, I shoot with a white, grey or black background, depending on piece, with an Olympus camedia camera. I don't do anthing fancy regarding lighting, although I'm sure this would get me a better result. I tend to move back a bit (to reduce glare) and use the flash with most items. I also crop, sharpen and usually brighten my photos afterwards in photoshop.
Laura
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Laura, do you use a macro lens or anything of the kind? I always find that I have issues shooting good close-up pics.
Oh by the way - here is a pic of my fazzoletto :)
(http://tinypic.com/6rt387.jpg)
The seller has informed me that there is a partial Venini acid signature on it - it's a small one at 2.75" in height. I bought it for just over 90 euros.
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pps. I asked a question on an online auction on a fazzoletto with a rough ground pontil. The seller replied that the fazzoletto was delicate and "a rough ground pontil is not unusual on delicate pieces where grinding the base smooth would mean grinding into the inside".
Is this right? None of the real Venini fazzolettos I've looked at on the net appear to have rough ground pontils. (Thanks Laura for the good advice a few posts above too!)
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Here are 3 vases in my collection:
(http://www.svazzo.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/fazzolettovases.jpg)
The large Orange and White is Venini (2000 - signed+label) and the other 2 are vintage pieces. Personally I like the White and Black the most.
Javier
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Javier,
My eyes :shock: immediately gravitated to the orange and white one. It figures it is the Venini one! :lol:
Its just outstanding!
Lenore
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Thanks for the comments. I specially like that on the Black and White Fazzoletto vase, the black is actually Matte on the outside and looks like a snake skin pattern, but is shiny inside. Pretty unusual I think.
The Orange Venini fazzoletto vase is the tallest I have, 8 1/4" tall. The color is just sooo bright! After I bought it I saw a Blue and Gold Flecks (also Venini signed) one on Ebay but was outbid. I really wanted that one!
Javier
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I'd really like to see more photos posted on this topic, if anyone wants to contribute! Being that the Fazzoletto design is one of the classics, having a gallery like this to showcase them is excellent. I hope the topic doesn't get left behind :(
Javier
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Hi all
Yes do post more pics - I am starting to download onto computer all fazzoletto pictures that I come across. It doesn't take too long to realise which are Venini (or at least mid-century Murano! lol)... a lot of sellers definately don't describe things well!
My fazzoletto arrived within a week (ex Germany) and wow it's so small, I didn't realise it. It has a very small partial Venini acid stamp. It's the two-line one I think, can't quite make out if it's 'Venini Murano' or 'Murano Venini'. You really have to tilt it at just the right angle AND have the light just so in order to make it out. It's so pretty too, not as fragile as I thought it would be (but I'm sure I'll be singing a different tune if it breaks!)
At the moment I have mine displayed on a table next to our living room floor-to-ceiling window which gets lots of sun. The colours won't fade I hope??
Cheers
Amanda.
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ps. Oooh forgot to mention that I saw a corroso fazzoletto on a website (can't remember which one, there've been so many!) and all I can say is... I want I want I want! :)
Amanda.
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Hi,
Just managed to pick up a fazzoletto – or at least I assume it could be classified as one?
:: Click Thumbnails to enlarge ::
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/fazzoletto/t-fazzoletto01.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/fazzoletto/fazzoletto01.jpg) : (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/fazzoletto/t-fazzoletto04.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/fazzoletto/fazzoletto04.jpg)
The only reason I query this is due to the canes going around the vase, rather than vertically, although I notice Javier's 'Everton Mint' is similar in this respect. Nice stripes as well; a mixture of aventurine and red, with much finer black, green & pink interspersed.
Also has a label that I've listed on the Labels thread (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4068.45.html).
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Hi DenCill,
I think it is considered a Fazzoletto vase, and about the decoration, well it doesnt matter, what makes it a "Fazzoletto" is the shape.
Javier
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Javier, that's fair enough. The reason I queried the decoration was if it was 'flattened' it wouldn't really look like a handkerchief! :)
Maybe I'm being a bit pedantic? :roll:
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Here's another sample:
(http://www.trocadero.com/svazzo/items/345977/catphoto.jpg)
I also bought another vase recently, and I when I took it out of the box it was actually signed "venini murano italia" underneath! I'll post a pic soon!
Javier
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It appears to me that on some vases the acid-stamp is very difficult to spot unless you're actually looking for it. Another lesson learned :) :shock:
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I know!
Sometimes you cant even photograph it. Its just the way the light hits it that shows it, and sometimes you only see bits and pieces, like the dot over the " i " which makes you dip and turn the piece every which way, until you can see the actual signature. Thats how I found out I had a Venini signed cornucopia designed by Bianconi!!! :D
This has actually happened to me 4 times already. You just have to really look, even if at first you dont see a thing. Different reflections of light will bring out the signatures too. I used to just check under daylight, but I found out that is not really the only way. I also tried putting the pieces under a normal house lamp and that has helped me take better photos of the signatures. Yes they might look washed over and yellow, but you will probably have a better detailed signature than in daylight. Sometimes the glare of daylight can be too overpowering.
Also, if you have a digital camera with zoom, this will help alot! You can really study the bottom of a piece under the glare and not go blind by trying too hard, lol.
Javier
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Thought I'd better check the only fazzoletto I have that could possibly be Venini - but no... :cry:
Thanks for the tips though, Javier — I didn't actually think it was that hard to see the sig, so maybe I should check all my other pieces too :shock:
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It can be, specially if there is a lot of scratches on the underside.
The cornucopia I am talking about has tons of scratches on the underside, and almost all of the "murano italia" is totally gone. I only saw the dot for the "i" which I thought was very unusual to have a little circle in between all the scratches, and was able to see the venini and part of the "m" for murano, and then the last letters of Italia. So yea, sometimes you have to imagine which piece you are actually looking at and then put the puzzle together. You might be lookig at something upside down and never know you have actual words there.
Javier
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Heres the latest addition to my Venini collection and on the theme elsewhere it's an early one with the recessed ground pontil.
http://tinypic.com/dlnr50.jpg
Paul
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Lets have another try then.
http://tinypic.com/dm2mh0.jpg
It also has 3 line acid signatures to the base.
Paul
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Hi Paul,
Was that the White vase that was auctioned this past week?
I tried to bid on it but the bid was already too high. I really liked that one.
Here are 3 that I recently purchased, including the one I bught without knowing it was signed!
(http://www.svazzo.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/fazzolettos.jpg.w300h225.jpg)
this one is signed Venini!
(http://www.svazzo.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/veninifazzoletto.jpg.w300h225.jpg)
Javier
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Hi Javier
Yes the one out of Germany. Much nicer than it appeared in the pictures on the auction with some of the finest detail I've seen for a while.
http://tinypic.com/dma8vo.jpg
Paul
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Hey Paul,
Yea, I dont usually buy things from overseas, but I really had my eye on that one :)
Javier
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I've bought from that particular guy before and he has some really nice pieces so I always keep an eye on what he sells.
I don't know if you saw the Flavio Poli valva bowl that was on, it was only on briefly as I bought it on a buy it now, but it has a great provenance as it was given by Poli personally as a gift to Helen Munro Turner and sold off as part of the collection of her and her partner John Lawrie, but a really superb item and I'm really delighted with it.
Paul
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Hi Paul,
No I didnt think to look at his other auctions. I should have.
I'd like to see it, maybe not on this thread but post it if you want, or email me a pic so I can see :D
Javier
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HI all
This cost me £2.00 today - it is 5.5" high with a red outer and a white inner glass coating - beautifully made delicate ruffles with a ground pontil and an old looking label 'Foreign' (paper label with staining)
What do people think this is country wise and maker
It is cased with a bottom that finishes in a block shape
http://tinypic.com/do9q8w.jpg
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I'm not sure where these ones with the block base are being made but seeing quite a lot of them at the fairs around East Anglia this year. The actual vases seem well made though the bases appear crude which suggests not Murano.
Have seen them from £8 up to £25 so at £2 it's a bargain!!
Paul
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Another little Venini for my collection
http://publish.hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/venini%20vase%20copy.jpg Mod: Link Dead
Adam D555
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David555 I love that little Venini - absolutely gorgeous! Is it pure white or is there a slightly pinky/violety tinge to it? And I like how the signature is still quite clear.
My own collecting has spluttered to a halt since I purchased my fazzoletto earlier in this thread... seems that it doesn't want company lol
Have a look at this auction which ended about a week or so ago:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7352131003&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7352131003&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1) <-- Mod: Link Dead
Crazy what it went for! However I just checked through my picture archive (yes I'm a bit naughty and save fazzoletto pictures from the net...) and I have not seen one striped like this before - the stripes are not zanfirico or latticimo, but solid. What is this pattern called?
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Hi
My little Venini is a grey with a reddish tinge through it - it has a dark grey piped rim - 4.5"
I kept this one but sold a similar one in grey with a bluish tinge a month back and got £70.00 making me a tiny profit - I was disappointed, as I thought it was an unusual 1950s Venini - but people do tend to go more for the striped and latticinio pieces, add aventurine and wooosh
That is a high price, but the colour combination of blue ands white stripes is very attractive
One point - I do think my bits are better designed with less complex ruffles and folds to the top - I am a bit of a fascist and like my fazzoletto to have only four points, just my taste
Adam D555
BTW - I have started a thread on Chance Glass Handkerchief Vases - I will be posting one of my own and asking people to post theirs - to be honest they are just fazzoletto vases but as not Murano have no place here
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I like the Chance handkerchief vases. I thought about collecting them, but I've held off the urge for now, lol.
Javier
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Just thought I'd share my latest piece which I picked up last night, the mother of faz's it stands 12" high and has a circumference of 31". Bought it as unsigned but it has Venini 3 line acid stamp to the base and rings like a bell. To say I'm chuffed would be an understatement.
Paul
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That's a stunningly beautiful vase!
Regards - Anne E.B. :mrgreen:
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My interest in these has been aroused by this thread. I hear all you collectors groaning LOL. Anyway having a look around ebay I find a seller in Italy who seems to have an awful lot of these. Are they authentic??
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I think I know who you are talking about Pat.
I asked and told me they were all his grandfathers (if its the same person), but he keeps listing the same items over and over as if he had an endless supply. Seemed fishy to me.....
But on the topic of Fazzolettos going for little now a days on Ebay...
I was fortunate to get 2 little pink Venini pieces, 1 signed, 2 filigrana black and white pieces (think are actually old Martens pieces), and a very nice one in Zanfirico White which I thought was Salviati, but is actually signed Venini underneath, all for less than $135 combined! :D
Its a very good time for them I think!
Javier