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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Tony H on March 09, 2005, 08:30:36 AM
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Hi One and all
Here is a link to a photo of a glass fish I am sure I have seen it ID somewhere, can anyone help with an
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/d554to/Fish2.jpg
Thank you
Tony H.
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Hi Tony, What you have is called the Greentown Dolphin with beaded edge. It should have a lid. These have been reproduced and the easiest way to tell is to take your finger and stick it down into the dish, if it goes almost the whole way it is original, if your finger does not, but say only half way, its a reproduction, although I don't believe the beaded edge style was reproduced. As to the color it appears to be what is known as chocolate glass. Jacob Rosenthal came to Greentown (which is collectors name for "The Indiana Tumbler & Goblet Co.) in 1900 where he invented chocolate glass. Hope this helps, Terry in Iowa
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The Greentown Dolphin was reproduced by Joe St Clair in the 1960s (colours included cobalt blue and caramel slag). It was one of the moulds purchased by Summit Art Glass - and they have since issued it in a range of colours including red Carnival. You can see a blue milk glass one on eBay right now (#7305449018). You can study the differences between the repro and the one in the photo Tony showed (you can also see what the lid looks like).
Not all Summit Glass is marked. The blue one on eBay is. Their mark (when used) is a V in a circle.
Terry - many thanks for that neat "finger" tip as to how to tell the difference.
Glen
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There are three different versions of this dolphin, two which have been reproduced - the sawtooth rim and the beaded rim. Your dophin looks like it is an original Greentown beaded rim version.
The auction that Glen has pointed out is an example of the reproduced sawtooth rim dolphin. The test that Terry suggestd is appropriate for the Kemple/Wheaton village reproduction of the sawtooth version but not necessarily the beaded rim version. To complicate matters further there is another reproduction of the sawtooth dolphin where the number of teeth on one side is 9 and the other 10 while the original has 10 on each side.
Getting back to your dolphin, the telling features for the beaded rim dolphin are that the lip is almost flat and the fin under the tail is the right size. Quoting from Jim Measell's book A Guide to Reproductions of Greentown Glass - "If the back fin touchs the table, its a reproduction".
Sid
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Hi
Thank you to all for your help with ID, but dont go away I have a few more I will be posting later.
Tony H
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Hi Tony, your original image has vamooshed, do you still have a copy please? If so can you add it back in for us so we can move to resolved for reference? Many thanks. :)
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Hi Anne
Sorry about this not sure why it should have disapeared from photobucket, I have had a look in my files with no luck so far, it could be on a CD will keep looking if I can find it I will upload photo again.
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Hi Tony Is it possible you moved it about in Photobucket and that the link has changed?
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I could not see the picture either, but would be glad to comment further if the picture reappears.