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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Malta Glass => Topic started by: josordoni on March 27, 2007, 07:28:49 PM
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Odd this.... I bought a mixed lot of Mdina, with this as one. I only looked at it quickly, saw the overall shape, and thought oooh.... Fish! Buy it!!
But then.... now I am checking it out, the figure of eight base and sides are side stripe style. But the neck??? According to Mark's book, the Side Stripe had a button neck in the early makes, and a wider flatter one later on. So how come this has a Fish style neck?
Does it get classified as a type of Fish? I can't see it, as the method was apparently centrifugal to form the wings, and these are definitely applied. But if a side stripe always has a flattened rim?
What shall I call it? The vase is approx 8.25 ins 210 mm tall.
vase http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5963
side view http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5964
base http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5966
rim http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5965
thanks!
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Looks like a Lollipop vase to me ???
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I know what you mean.... but my last lollipop, the wings were integral to the main glass of the vase, not applied like this.
Look, here it is:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5967
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5968
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5969
See what I mean?
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Yes I know what you mean Lynne - all the ones with the applied sides I've seen (including one I sold fairly recently) had a button neck ??? I've not seen one like this with a long thin neck - dunno what to suggest really but it's deffo not a lollipop or a fish. Utra rare trial piece p'raps ;D ;D ;D
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Oh well. I suppose I'll just describe it as it is and see what happens. I'll give it a day or so in case Mark comes by.
Can you tell felt right p'd off when I discovered I didn't get a fish vase in the lot? ;D ::) ;D
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Hi Lynne,
Certainly not a Fish vase, I'm really sorry to say. You're right to think first off about how the different pieces are made though as that, and the general appearance, are the keys. Fish have very heavy, wide and quite often very thick 'wings' that are gained from dipping a body into the pot, then flattened down on the marver and with paddles. This two part casing typically covers the entire underlying coloured body. The full process is listed in my book an perhaps the most representative Fish design is on the cover.
On your example, hot trails have been applied up the sides of the piece from the clear base. The trails are much thinner, near cylindrical, and are exactly that - applied trails. David's right - it would indeed be classified as a Lollipop vase from its shape, but also has the trails associated with the Side Stripe design. Throughout all of Mdina's history, experimentation has been rife - I've learnt 'never to say never' about shapes and sizes, which were combined, modified and changed. I've seen these 'Side-Stripe-Lollipop' combos before, but they don't crop up as often as some other shapes. They generally tend to be later, so 1980s or so, but I'd say yours was mid-late 70s from the colours. They do seem to be popular amongst collectors. Actually, thinking about it, this is the nicest one I've seen!
Finally....not to confuse matters....the only relation the Lollipop shape has to a Fish is that a Lollipop shape is the core of the Fish before it is cased!
Hope this helps,
Best,
Mark
www.markhillpublishing.com
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It helps enormously Mark, thank you... it was your description of how the Fish and Lollipops were made that rang alarm bells in my head, so I appreciate your input.