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Title: Just one more thing! Vase, Venetian?
Post by: Gill on May 31, 2007, 07:27:55 PM
A pair of these were sold to me as "Venetian"  Well now, I don't know................31 cms high and some wear to base.  Chinese?
Funny isn't it? Looks like someone cross with their hands on their hips!

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Title: Re: Just one more thing! Vase, Venetian?
Post by: chuggy on May 31, 2007, 08:34:11 PM
I would say look to Bohemia rather than Venetian. The handles have a Venetian look but the vase body is all wrong.
Paul
Title: Re: Just one more thing! Vase, Venetian?
Post by: Gill on May 31, 2007, 09:25:09 PM
Thankyou Paul, I'll check it out!
Title: Re: Just one more thing! Vase, Venetian?
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 01, 2007, 06:28:47 AM
I would probably go with the Bohemia option as well. What's the top like? Flat ground?
Title: Re: Just one more thing! Vase, Venetian?
Post by: Gill on June 01, 2007, 07:39:45 AM
Yes the top is flat ground, anybody want to have a guess at the age?
Title: Re: Just one more thing! Vase, Venetian?
Post by: heartofglass on June 01, 2007, 09:29:52 AM
Bohemian/Czech, circa 1920s is my guess.
Title: Re: Just one more thing! Vase, Venetian?
Post by: Gill on June 01, 2007, 09:34:06 AM
Really? as old as that? Wow! Thankyou very much!
Title: Re: Just one more thing! Vase, Venetian?
Post by: josordoni on June 01, 2007, 01:55:55 PM
Really? as old as that? Wow! Thankyou very much!
LOL and there's me thinking, As recent as that? 
 ;D

Title: Re: Just one more thing! Vase, Venetian?
Post by: heartofglass on June 02, 2007, 08:13:25 AM
Well, there is a hint of the late 19th C. in the shape actually, but the colour scheme suggests a later date to me, which is why I suggested a date of 1920s. Victorian glass did not typically have this type of harsh contrast between colours. Victorian fancy glass was colourful, no doubt about that, but it was more likely to use tints, eg, pink, lime green, peach, pale lemon, rather than pure primary colours. This combination of yellow (or orange) with cobalt blue was a popular one in the 1920s-30s era.
I don't proclaim to be an expert, & nor do I sell glass but I have been collecting it, & reading about it for a long time & I think I've developed a "feel" for it. Shape & colour can tell you a lot.
So, it's a sort of late Victorian shape with a 20s colour combo.
Hope this clears up any ambiguity about my attribution.
Title: Re: Just one more thing! Vase, Venetian?
Post by: josordoni on June 02, 2007, 08:25:17 AM
That's great Marinka - I wasn't doubting your attribution btw, just laughing at myself as I tend to put these spatter vases (that I assume usually are Czech / Bohemian, especially with the strong contrast between the handles and the body) in the Edwardian era.  Only just a little earlier anyway!

I am learning as I go along.  Sometimes, saying Oh I thought it was... can give me an idea of why it isn't so I am very interested in your comments on the colours.

Title: Re: Just one more thing! Vase, Venetian?
Post by: heartofglass on June 02, 2007, 08:54:22 AM
No offence taken, Lynne! :)
I just thought I hadn't made myself clear enough.
This type of item is inherently ambiguous as it has a foot in 2 stylistic camps.
I guess it was a case of re-using an older type of design for the shape of the vase & mixing it with a (at the time) fashionable colour scheme.
Not everything made in the 20s screams "Art Deco". There were lots of firms who still cranked out Victoriana, albeit with slight simplifications to the shapes & perhaps different colours.
There would be a fair few epergnes & frilly vases out there that were actually made in the Jazz age, rather than under Victoria's reign.
I have seen reproduced catalogue pages from various Bohemian makers illustrating Art Deco items alongside Victorian and even Biedermeier type pieces all at the one time-the catalogue dates to the 1930s!

Title: Re: Just one more thing! Vase, Venetian?
Post by: Gill on June 02, 2007, 11:22:54 AM
Thankyou very much for your detailed information, brilliant!