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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Resolved Paperweight Queries => Topic started by: cfosterk on June 26, 2007, 09:42:38 PM
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I picked up a rather inconsequential looking trade 'advertising card' amongst a small collection of paperweights at a regional saleroom - on closer inspection it was produced for Paul Ysart!! Measures around 4" by 3" in green/blue black and white. Looks to be Harland period based on the address given of Paul Ysart Paperweight Co PO Box 5 Wick Scotland.
Cover comprises the simple text Paul Ysart The Master Craftsman.
What is interesting is that it states Paul had been making paperweight for "53 years". The last marketing material for Harland was likely to be produced no later than 1975 when the Harland Glassworks had to close - if true then this suggests that Paul started making paperweights in at least 1932/33. This was verbally confirmed by Paul in Alison Clarkes piece in Ysart Glass.
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Hiya,
I'm probably falling into some sort of "QI" trap and acting the Allen Davies part, but shouldn't that be 1922/23? (Taking 53 from 1975) Cue claxons....................... ???
Nigel
Note: For the benefit of readers outside the UK, QI is a quiz programme on the TV over here, in which Allen usually gives the most obvious comment or answer - incorrectly.
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And I always thought this was shape of QI (http://www.ysartglass.com/Moncat/Images/QI.jpg)
Paul Ysart was producing at Harland 1971-1979. so 53 years gives 1918-1926. 1915 he was a trainee and I believe an apprenticeship was then 7 years, leading to 1922/3. There is clear evidence of the use of millefiori cane in 1924 and Paul's role in the team would certainly have led to him making millefiori - perhaps for the leaflet he just used the date on which he completed his apprenticeship. I heard the recordings Alison made and he clearly stated 1932/3 as when he first made a paperweight.
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Doh!
Typo error, sorry!!! What I meant to point out is that Paul's paperweight 'production' appears to have started earlier than Alison had indicated!!!! Sorry!!!!!!
Whilst Paul undoubtably continued up until 1979 from Harlands Works, I think it highly unlikely that he would have spent money on 'promotional material' aged 73 years plus. My best guess is that the leaflet was produced before the Gunn's pulled funding in 1975 - so yes that means 1922/23!!! (and not 32/33).
Just thought it was interesting info to share with Ysart aficionados....
There must be a number of these leaflets around??
Has anyone any ideas on the PO box number - will the GPO/Royal Mail provide details, or will these be confidential I wonder??
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Hiya,
What sort of details do you expect to get from the PO Box number?
Nigel
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Perhaps who subscribed to the P O Box and the dates of subscription.
Can then work out when the promo was likely to have been in use....
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Interpretation of original material from companies is fraught with difficulty. It invariably reflects the perspective of the current owners and can often be economical with the truth. Although sometimes the truth is written in such a way that the reader infers something else, so always quote complete, exact wording and punctuation. Omissions can be significant too, try finding mention of O'Broin in Caithness company literature since he left the company!
The PO Box number will reveal nothing useful, other than where Paul would collect his mail from.
The worst source is often the tales told by people that have worked with the subject of research and this is a big problem with the Ysart's - many people claim to have worked with, been buddies with them and tell some amazing stories. Some of which continue to circulate and grow richer. Nearly all have been disproved over the years.
Safest approach is to always be sceptical and look for secondary sources and/or time related facts that are 'more likely' to be accurate. This leaflet is a good example of spin, but it is also ambiguous in time. The full text might say more.
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The dates 1922/23 tie in exactly with Salvador et als move to Moncrieffs and the according to Frank the date that Paul probably completed his apprenticeship. Perhaps there is an element of 'artistic licence' given the first hand account given by Paul to Alison!!
Is it still possible to get in touch with Bob or Louise Gunn? I'm still interested in who produced the literature and when!
I'll photograph and will post tonight!!!
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As promised....
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-7707
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-7706
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-7705
Moderator: Links corrected to absolute URLs
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PO Boxes are directly linked to a street address - I don't know if this has always been the case but they are now (we have one which is how I know this.) And on request the Royal Mail are obliged to give the details of that street address to an enquirer. I believe the enquiry must be in writing, but I don't know if it only applies to currently held boxes rather than historical information.
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Please see my reply to your message about a possible Ysart cane in a PP20 weight. I have mentioned there how to link to the correct images in GlassGallery.
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The "53" could just as easily have been a typo in the advertising material, but not regarded as significant enough to bin the run and reprint them.
Also, although the "53" does not seem to make sense for the known researched dates, perhaps it is possible that Paul Jokelson funded advertising material later than 1975.
And, for more interest, note that in the last period, the company was "Highland Paperweights Ltd", but the labels stated "Highland Paper Weight" ... with "paper" and "weight" as separate words. Does that mean anything? Maybe not!
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My reply to Nigel explaining about yesterdays lost post has gone along with Nigels....
Bad news
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The mention of "trained staff" suggests pre-1975? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Also not sure about the typo possibility - personally I'm more inclined to 'artistic licence' particularly if the material was sponsored by Paul Jokelson and possibly aimed at the American market - I'm not trying to wind up our American cousins, but the "53 years" of heritage would help to build the Ysart-brand 'stateside'
Thank to Frank and Kevin for sorting out the links - I'm a novice at this sort of thing!!!!
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I would not worry about it. Clearly something is not right, but speculation is all that is left as both Jokelson and Paul are dead - and speculation goes nowhere.